Chief Mark Saunders
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Doubt it.
The culture of the Toronto Police Force is far too entrenched for any one man to alter. Plus, he's part of that very culture as well.
Witness what happened with Mel Lastman and "Operation True Blue"
The culture of the Toronto Police Force is far too entrenched for any one man to alter. Plus, he's part of that very culture as well.
Witness what happened with Mel Lastman and "Operation True Blue"
I highly doubt it.
The black community that is anti-police will no more "respect" him than they do any cop. MAY US cities have black Chiefs of Police and they have horrible crime and poor relations with the black community.
The regular cops may very well resent his appointment as it may be seen as pandering to political correctness. Cops are regular members of the public too when it comes to politics. Half will like the new Chief, their new S/Sgt, their new Unit Commander...and the other half will think he is an asshole.
Cops in general are going to have to change their culture to re-acquire the respect of the general public. First off, by being less authoritarian dickwads to everyone they meet.
The black community that is anti-police will no more "respect" him than they do any cop. MAY US cities have black Chiefs of Police and they have horrible crime and poor relations with the black community.
The regular cops may very well resent his appointment as it may be seen as pandering to political correctness. Cops are regular members of the public too when it comes to politics. Half will like the new Chief, their new S/Sgt, their new Unit Commander...and the other half will think he is an asshole.
Cops in general are going to have to change their culture to re-acquire the respect of the general public. First off, by being less authoritarian dickwads to everyone they meet.
He sure will. More than capable has 32 years of experience in policing.
Contrary to our lib left friends who hate authority in general (unless it's in the form of a nanny state czar) - I think the TPS does a great job. I can think of many worse police forces in NA.
Contrary to our lib left friends who hate authority in general (unless it's in the form of a nanny state czar) - I think the TPS does a great job. I can think of many worse police forces in NA.
I'm sure he'll do fine.
He must have answered the questions correctly, like, "will you do the bidding of council and make the tough decisions that we want done?" Unlike Chief Blair.
He is not an outsider, so that will placate the rank and file in the short term and he is obviously a very capable individual to have risen to the rank he has.
He must have answered the questions correctly, like, "will you do the bidding of council and make the tough decisions that we want done?" Unlike Chief Blair.
He is not an outsider, so that will placate the rank and file in the short term and he is obviously a very capable individual to have risen to the rank he has.
its hardly affirmative action. he has 32 years experience and has run major departments and been deputy chief. but I don't think he will make any changes.
He will do fine. He has an impressive resume. I would be interpreted to see what other candidates had on their resume.
Dont care that he is black. But i feel sorry for him because he will probably have to continue to deal with people second guessing how he got his job. Which is a shame.
It will take a sensational crime to get people up in arms. Otherwise they will want status quo.
Dont care that he is black. But i feel sorry for him because he will probably have to continue to deal with people second guessing how he got his job. Which is a shame.
It will take a sensational crime to get people up in arms. Otherwise they will want status quo.
His resume is as impressive as any other deputy chief's of a major police department. You're flipping a coin at this level in this pool of candidates. It remains to be seen what, if anything, he can accomplish. Does he understand that TPS needs to cut back? Or that carding is racist and a violation of the Charter? Does he know what the Charter is? Does he have the balls to stand up to the Association? We'll just wait and see.
Doesn't matter who their big boss is. When some guy who's making over a $100,000 a year hands me a ticket for rolling through a stop sign, I'm not inclined to thank him or her for keeping our streets safe.
Not with this guy. It may be tough to admit the top candidate is black but I heard the head of the police union on the radio - this guy has worked major departments homicide, gangs, drugs - Saunders has a lot of respect from his colleges and nothing to do with colour.
I think it's the other way around. Certain members of the public have zero respect for the police and this is the part that very few people actually understand.
The public understands, quite well, that there are, have been and always will be "certain members of the public" that have zero respect for the police, law or anyone for that matter. We know that. And we know that cops have a tough, dangerous job when dealing with those people.
But we don't entrust those people with guns, the legal authority to kill and to take away our liberty.
Cops can deal with those assholes within the confines of the law. Cops can deal with those assholes without escalating the situation and having a Big Dick Contest.
And they certainly don't have to act like authoritarian dickwads to so many people that they meet. I used to be a huge supporter and fan of the boys in blue, but my trust and respect for them as an entity and culture has been seriously eroded in the past 10 years.
One word of advice if you're going to fight that ticket. Don't be an asshole, and he may forget about you and not show up.
I had one cop tell me to plead guilty with explanation and the Justice of the Peace will most likely reduce the ticket by half and she did.
Another time my friend was caught by an undercover peeing against a tree outside the old CB. He said he couldn't use the CB washroom because bio-hazard. The cop understood and just gave him a warning and no ticket.
Treat cops like the human beings they are and they will treat you like the decent human being you are.
Bio-hazard, lol!
I agree wholeheartedly.
I was stopped by a cop who manually clocked me on the 400. I saw him earlier on the shoulder with another violator, and admitted to him that I did but didn't think he'd catch up to me. I explained that I just got my new car (which it was), and put it on cruise control because my back was fucked and I couldn't use my right foot because I wanted to keep it elevated.
He gave me a break by lowering the speed below the points mark.
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