I have been observing all the talk about cheap sp's and how this is a buyers market. Firstly, everyone needs to make a living. Secondly, I think that the good ones probably should be paid more. Thirdly, I think that for the most part the dollar paid to experiance ratio is to low. Finally, I think that people that ask for a discount should be band from the industry. This hobby should be just that.....fun, safe and a great experiance for all involved. I realize this thread will probably incite a lot of debate and that is expected. Think about how cool this hobby would be if the girls arrived in Gucci and armani. I know that for $200 or more that this is great value when compared to almost anything we do in our normal lives. Not all hobbies are for all income earners i.e. some of us collect expensive things others cant afford that.
Cheap SP rant
- Thread starter fmauhv
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We can debate this until we're blue in the face, we can say they should be paid more, we can say they should be paid less, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter...
...the price will be set by the market.
The SP industry is highly competitive. Low barrier to entry, many participants, fairly equivalent service, many customers with fairly equivalent demands. SP's can freely turn away any customer without worrying about the business lost, and customers are free to choose between many SP's--skipping over one SP or even one agency doesn't really meaningful limit the customer's options.
Under those circumstances it's ridiculous to argue with the going market rate. It WILL be fair.
...the price will be set by the market.
The SP industry is highly competitive. Low barrier to entry, many participants, fairly equivalent service, many customers with fairly equivalent demands. SP's can freely turn away any customer without worrying about the business lost, and customers are free to choose between many SP's--skipping over one SP or even one agency doesn't really meaningful limit the customer's options.
Under those circumstances it's ridiculous to argue with the going market rate. It WILL be fair.
They have the RIGHT to charge whatever they want ... I have the RIGHT to see who I want. It is as simple as that!
fmauhv said:
My reaction to the rest of your post is complete indifference, but this quote was really funny. Whom do you suggest do the banning? The SP governing body? LMFAO.
fmauhv said:
ROFLMAO - Show up in Gucci and Armani . Could care less . I'm OK with Winners and GAP . I don't understand why guys who are so willing to throw away their money insist that we should all be so irresponsible with our finances . I have to conclude they don't really work for their money .
Dr. Know said:
Thx . Rayfinkel enlarged and did the lettering for me . ( OOPS , I think that qualifies as TERB name dropping (LOL)) .
As for the OP I know he has that warm glow from being tuned up by Celeste so I know who put the rose coloured glasses on him (LOL). You can't base your opinion on an A list experience . See 40 or 50 girls and then tell me how they are so underpaid . I've paid $100 and had my world rocked and paid $250 and been disappointed . Big mistake to equate more money with better service .
How about just let the ladies set their price and if you choose to see them then just pay their rate and leave at that .
Doesn't matter if they charge $200 or $2000 . What does matter is SP's being available at the different price levels to satisfy hobbyist demand .
fmauhv said:
Hey!!! an industry band would be a great idea. What should we call it?
SP and The Payers?
I don't understand what the issue is here. As a consumer, if your finances limit your choices accept it or do something about it.
I myself am turned off by a woman who would show up to see me in gucci or any other overrpriced designer garb. Give me a woman in jeans and a tee or in sweats and a tank top anyday.
Any woman, or man, who gets so caught up in appearances or consumerism is to me a representation of the old addage "a fool and his money are soon parted".
The price of an SP has nothing to do with how she performs. What counts is her ethics and her enjoyment. Would an sp date a man like me being 6 feet tall and over 350 pounds? Probably not. But if I call an SP and advise her I wish to see her professionally for 2 hours they may hide their true feeling about someone my size and give me the time of my life. They may or may not be acting but if they are they deserve an oscar. Funny though, once they get to know me they never forget me.
As for price well if you think price = quality then go on and keep living the dream.
I myself am turned off by a woman who would show up to see me in gucci or any other overrpriced designer garb. Give me a woman in jeans and a tee or in sweats and a tank top anyday.
Any woman, or man, who gets so caught up in appearances or consumerism is to me a representation of the old addage "a fool and his money are soon parted".
The price of an SP has nothing to do with how she performs. What counts is her ethics and her enjoyment. Would an sp date a man like me being 6 feet tall and over 350 pounds? Probably not. But if I call an SP and advise her I wish to see her professionally for 2 hours they may hide their true feeling about someone my size and give me the time of my life. They may or may not be acting but if they are they deserve an oscar. Funny though, once they get to know me they never forget me.
As for price well if you think price = quality then go on and keep living the dream.
smylee52 said:
I agree with your post Smylee. The OP if I recall is the dude who claims that Celest's fees are too low
.Even if I could afford it it would make me physically and mentally sick to pay an sp $700 for just a roll in the hay.
I guess my views on sp pricing are the polar opposite to the OP's. Thank goodness that they're some indy's and agencies out there who make this hobby at least semi-affordable to a guy like myself.
WOW. Some good feedback. I just joined terb and have only been a hobbiest since I met Candy at Mirage(I think that was her name). Basically, still trying to get a handle on the whole terb thing still. I personally have found that there is a coralation between price/looks/experiance. I probably will never be a 50 post guy as I personally prefer quantity over quality as my available time is very limited. I probably should have asked for people to share if they have found that there was a relationship between price and the experiance??
Dr. Know said:
Since when does post count equate to experience or intelligence, this place is full of proof to the contrary....lol
However, I couldn't be bothered to read the OP.... too boring.
A couple of things on this and then I'll shut up.
Girls can charge what they want.
Guys can pay what they want.
Guys can offer to pay less than what the girl wants and she can either agree or not.
If a guy wants to try to negotiate he should do that before the meeting is scheduled so as not to waste everyone's time - there is a time and place for negotiations and it isn't after she's booked you and you're standing in front of her at the location - that isn't fair because she may have turned down another appointment to see you. And she most certainly would have spent time preparing for your visit.
This negotiation should be pleasant and non-confrontational. You're not trying to haggle at a Mexican fleamarket, remember.
Girls, try to remember that all guys aren't cheap, it's just that times are not so great for everyone and I think most people are a little more aware of their financial situation today than even only a year ago.
Timbit
Girls can charge what they want.
Guys can pay what they want.
Guys can offer to pay less than what the girl wants and she can either agree or not.
If a guy wants to try to negotiate he should do that before the meeting is scheduled so as not to waste everyone's time - there is a time and place for negotiations and it isn't after she's booked you and you're standing in front of her at the location - that isn't fair because she may have turned down another appointment to see you. And she most certainly would have spent time preparing for your visit.
This negotiation should be pleasant and non-confrontational. You're not trying to haggle at a Mexican fleamarket, remember.
Girls, try to remember that all guys aren't cheap, it's just that times are not so great for everyone and I think most people are a little more aware of their financial situation today than even only a year ago.
Timbit
