Chaz Bono?

Don

Active member
Aug 23, 2001
6,286
10
38
Toronto
http://us.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/11/ent.chastity.bono/index.html

What confuses me is this:

Someone's decision to transition does not necessarily mean they are undergoing gender reassignment surgery, and in many cases they do not, said Mara Keisling, executive director of the Washington-based National Center for Transgender Equality.

"The whole media fixation on surgery is kind of misplaced," she said. "Almost no transgender people ever have surgery. We don't have any idea how many do."

An estimated one-quarter to one-half percent of the American population is transsexual, however, Keisling said. "It's sort of a general term that encompasses both or either a social transition or a medical transition."

Keisling said she was unaware of the specifics in Bono's case, but speaking generally, a transition means that he will now want to be "known, seen, viewed" as a male.


--------------------------------

I don't how you can "transition" from being a female to a male without surgery (or vice versa). I mean if I start telling people I'm a female and that I think of myself as a female and I start dressing like one, that doesn't make me a female... that makes me a transvestite and maybe gay (if I start screwing men). But I would still be a male.... just a male that wants to be a female.... until surgery is performed. Strange
 
I don't know her/him at all and it is really not my place, at the same time I feel sorry for anyone who is so obviously confused about themselves and who they are, and in such inner pain.

Don said:
However, I must agree with Don!
 
If no gender reassignment surgery is being done for Chastity/Chaz then bingo! She's essentially a dude in appearance already.

Fernie
 
fernie said:
If no gender reassignment surgery is being done for Chastity/Chaz then bingo! She's essentially a dude in appearance already.

Fernie

LOL on WWTFF he says: complete the transition? All she has to do to complete the tranistion is put on a tie!!!
 
Don said:
I think of myself as a female and I start dressing like one, that doesn't make me a female...

But, but it does mean you can use the women's dressing room and see naked females.:p
 
Don said:
I don't how you can "transition" from being a female to a male without surgery (or vice versa). I mean if I start telling people I'm a female and that I think of myself as a female and I start dressing like one, that doesn't make me a female... that makes me a transvestite and maybe gay (if I start screwing men). But I would still be a male.... just a male that wants to be a female.... until surgery is performed. Strange
I don't have a personal stake in this issue one way or another. Nor have I ever been personally close to a transgendered person. But I think your statement shows a basic ignorance of the issue at hand. In this case, the person has a female body with all the usual parts but feels with every fiber of their being that they are in fact male. The transition is a social one, not a medical one.

So people can dismiss them as misguided and wrong, since they have a vagina rather than a penis, if they want. But that does not change their own reality, which is that they are male in a female body.

I think being a male trapped in a female body, or visa versa, is hardly a recipe for happiness. So people can make all the jokes they want, but I don't think that shows much tolerance for differences or maturity.

I think Chastity Bono is a brave person for taking the public stand she has.

“He is proud of his decision and grateful for the support and respect that has already been shown by his loved ones. It is Chaz’s hope that his choice to transition will open the hearts and minds of the public regarding this issue, just as his ‘coming out’ did nearly 20 years ago.”
 
All joking aside. Does this mean that he will be using the men's washroom and dressing room? Will he be showering with the guys? Will he tick off "male", "female" or "other" on his company's insurance plan?
 
Transitioning, for most people, happens along a spectrum, rather than from one end to another of a binary. In other words, to understand the reality of transitioning and transgenderism, you need to start thinking about gender as a spectrum of realities and experiences, rather than as binary framework. You also need to think of gender as being made of more than (or in spite of) the pink-bits.

Also, it is usually considered common courtesy and decency to respect another person's gender self-identification, rather than assert yourself as the judge of who/what they are based on your understanding of a reality and experience that isn't yours.
 
Whats up with all of these gay threads recently? First shemales and now this?

I thought this was a board where we talk about hot chicks in the industry and there are other boards out there that talk about this?
 
Aardvark154 said:
I don't know her/him at all and it is really not my place, at the same time I feel sorry for anyone who is so obviously confused about themselves and who they are, and in such inner pain.

However, I must agree with Don!

Chaz in the daughter of Sonny and Cher.

Fernie
 
What do you call the surgury when a woman has a sex change?

An adadictomy. :D
 
Frank Fingers said:
Whats up with all of these gay threads recently? First shemales and now this?

I thought this was a board where we talk about hot chicks in the industry and there are other boards out there that talk about this?
Why does this disturb/annoy you so much? Is someone forcing you to read every single thread?

No need to worry: I haven't heard of anyone catching Teh Gay by reading about it.
 
genintoronto said:
Why does this disturb/annoy you so much? Is someone forcing you to read every single thread?

I never knew when I opened-up this thread I was going to be opening Pandora's Box. I thought maybe Chaz Bono was an upcoming Puerto Rican baseball player who got drafted into the majors the past few days.

The baseball draft was earlier this week you know? http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=281385
 
Frank Fingers said:
I never knew when I opened-up this thread I was going to be opening Pandora's Box. I thought maybe Chaz Bono was an upcoming Puerto Rican baseball player who got drafted into the majors the past few days.

The baseball draft was earlier this week you know? http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=281385
Ewwww. Baseball. I thought this board was about hot chicks and stuff, not chubby guys in tight pants jerking around with bats and balls. :p
 
genintoronto said:
Ewwww. Baseball. I thought this board was about hot chicks and stuff, not chubby guys in tight pants jerking around with bats and balls. :p

Exactly. Hot chicks and stuff.

Not hot chicks, gay men, shemales and stuff.
 
Frank Fingers said:
Whats up with all of these gay threads recently? First shemales and now this?

I thought this was a board where we talk about hot chicks in the industry and there are other boards out there that talk about this?
***

Just trying to make you feel welcome...

...:)