Catholic vs. Public

[Hiding]

I went to Catholic school, and I was class of 2005. Girls were rolling up their kilts, guys were staring, and the Catholic schools in my area had the highest teen pregnacy rate in Ontario. The popular girls ALWAYS wore kilts and they were ALWAYS getting in trouble for rolling them up to make them shorter. We had these open stairs between floors at the school with benches on the first floor off to the side, and girls would flaunt their panties as they walked up and down in front of the benches. It was a fully discussed thing: girls who had boyfriends would even write his initials on their full cut panties (ridiculous, I know, but I had 3 friends who did this!!!).

I switched to a specialized program for the second half of high school: it was a private program run out of a public school. The girls were less flirty, less sexual, and more academic than at the prior school. I remember one girl (a friend of a friend) lost her virginity without a condom and ALL our mutual friends chewed her out. It was an academic program mind, but still.. strange.

It probably depends on where you attend school (or doesn't make a difference) based on the specific schools and friends you make, but my experience was rather interesting. Yes, pants were an option, but girls rarely wore them... or only when their kilts were dirty.

When you put obligate hormone-crazed teens to wear a uniform that has become a sexual cliche...

 

[Brill]

I went to Catholic school...

Slut.

 

[CapitalGuy]

They should really just get rid of the separate school board in Ontario. I think they were able to do it in Quebec in the 1970's so it should be possible in Ontario.

I went through the Catholic system to grade 13 but I'm basically non religious agnostic. I remember when I entered first year university I couldn't believe how liberating it was not to have a single nun or priest lurking around the corner.
I think Catholicism damages people. The system is rooted in fear, intimidation and bullying and churns out some of the most stupid, thick, dense, exasperating, technology illiterate people you'll ever see anywhere. If you want your kids to have slavish, conventional thinking the Catholic education system is for you.

I have some Catholic relatives who are just so thick and dense and non competitive stupid; and, - I have to ask myself what on earth made them this way.
The answer I come up with is it's not their fault. They are an inevitable by product of a brutal system that is set up to churn out people like this. So, I just make a wide berth around them and let it go.

The most creepily weird people I've ever met in my life are all Catholic priests and they set the tone for the whole organization. They've basically ruined and destroyed the reputation of their church with all the pedophile sex scandals and coverups they've been involved in for decades across the globe. The only thing priests care about is the sanctity of their creepy male authority, their sluggish, dopey bureaucracy, and parading around in vain , outrageous costumes and dresses.
From personal experience I can tell you that having a priest around just sucks all the oxygen out of a room.

If you run a competitive business you're better off with people who went through the public system. It encourages more innovative, flexible, creative thinking which is what people need if they want to have an interesting full life experience and challenging career.

Sounds like you have some anger issues towards Catholicism or elements of it that would cloud your analysis, but anyhow.... eliminating separate schools would require an amendment of the Constitution Act. Lawyers feel free to correct me, but to change any part of that Act requires a vote on the entire Act, does it not? Doesn't that get into the 7 out of 10 provinces and all that? Or am I off base?

Anyhow, separate schools were created concurrently to the entrenchment of French language rights in our country's history, and today the arguments against separate schools can (seemingly) be directly transcribed to arguments against official bilingualism. My opinion is that when we dump French, we can consider dumping separate schools. Until then, why beat up on the religious folks while we let the franco's carry on wasting our money (says the 1/2 French, Catholic guy).

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Don't forget Jewish Schools. They control the distribution of pr0n.

 

[laser47]

Anyone that begin a thread by saying "I hope this doesn't get too hostile", is looking for that very reaction.

I don't think you will be receiving the number of replies that you are hoping for because after reading the OP, Terbites will realize that you are just trying to stir the pot.

Better luck with your next thread.

After 25 responses, I guess was wrong and stand corrected.

 

[Cycleguy007]

I'm astounded. From what I understand, the condition attached to public funding was they had to allow non-Catholics into High School but Elementary School was exclusively for practicing Catholics (don't want to expose young Catholics to heathens). Maybe the rules are different outside the big city or your kids school had a sensible principal.

I think the stipulation is, once a school is "capped" (meaning to capacity), it is no longer required to accept non Catholics. Since both systems are publicly funded, they are required to take either/ or... but if a school has been capped it can elect to refuse a non-catholic on the grounds that it is already at capacity. Since our school was brand new, (my kids transferred to it the first year it was open) all I had to do is have a sit down with the principal and convince them of my reasoning... and also direct my taxes accordingly.

 

[dj1470]

After 25 responses, I guess was wrong and stand corrected.

That's OK you are an idiot who deals in sexual stereotypes about teenagers.

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

The Seperate school system in Ontario is not going anywhere. There is no politician brave enough to take on the issue. They would be killed in an election. Just from a labour standpoint changing all those admin, teachers, and support workers to new jobs would be immense (labour laws, strikes, etc.). Changing over all Catholic schools to Public just from a cost-effectiveness standpoint would be in the 2-3 billion range.

 

[james t kirk]

It probably depends on where you attend school (or doesn't make a difference) based on the specific schools and friends you make, but my experience was rather interesting. Yes, pants were an option, but girls rarely wore them... or only when their kilts were dirty.

When you put obligate hormone-crazed teens to wear a uniform that has become a sexual cliche...

A woman's hormone level peaks in their early 30's. That is a physiological fact. (A male about 16 to 20)

What you were witnessing was partially hormone driven yes (that testosterone was not there in the same quantities prior to puberty) but probably was more acting out than anything else. Peer pressure, societal pressure, and an entire new awareness was more likely the culprit than simple hormones.

 

[james t kirk]

I'm catholic.

I went to a public school because my mother was a teacher in the public school system (yes, she was catholic too). She didn't believe in the Catholic school system because she said that they wasted time teaching religion. In her opinion, there was only so many hours available to teach children in a day and that time was better devoted to teaching the 3 R's.

That said, I find the OP post to be highly silly and somehow (creepily) geared towards sex. I have known lots of people who came out of the Catholic School system in Ontario who are extremely intelligent and very quick mentally.

As dj1470 correctly points out, the Catholic School board is not gonig anywhere fast.

 

[Cycleguy007]

I went to Catholic school, and I was class of 2005. Girls were rolling up their kilts, guys were staring, and the Catholic schools in my area had the highest teen pregnacy rate in Ontario. The popular girls ALWAYS wore kilts and they were ALWAYS getting in trouble for rolling them up to make them shorter. We had these open stairs between floors at the school with benches on the first floor off to the side, and girls would flaunt their panties as they walked up and down in front of the benches. It was a fully discussed thing: girls who had boyfriends would even write his initials on their full cut panties (ridiculous, I know, but I had 3 friends who did this!!!).

I switched to a specialized program for the second half of high school: it was a private program run out of a public school. The girls were less flirty, less sexual, and more academic than at the prior school. I remember one girl (a friend of a friend) lost her virginity without a condom and ALL our mutual friends chewed her out. It was an academic program mind, but still.. strange.

It probably depends on where you attend school (or doesn't make a difference) based on the specific schools and friends you make, but my experience was rather interesting. Yes, pants were an option, but girls rarely wore them... or only when their kilts were dirty.

When you put obligate hormone-crazed teens to wear a uniform that has become a sexual cliche...

As a father of 2 daughters... and having read this... I'm glad my kids school has phased out the kilt!

 

[james t kirk]

BTW, the OP has stated that he is 6 years out of HS.

WTF is someone 22 or 23 doing on an escort review board? At that age, you should not be consorting in the pay for play world. Go out and chase all the girls named Kate, Katie, Caitliyn, Kathy, Catherine, etc. When I was 22 I had had sex with all of 2 women and never even DREAMED of the TERB world.

I also find it rather rich that he sits in judgement of female sexuality (using such words as "sluts" repeatedly and bullshitting about getting blown in washrooms and bleacher sex)while he himself is hanging out on TERB.

People in glass fucking houses shouldn't throw bricks.

 

[Cycleguy007]

BTW, the OP has stated that he is 6 years out of HS.

WTF is someone 22 or 23 doing on an escort review board? At that age, you should not be consorting in the pay for play world. Go out and chase all the girls named Kate, Katie, Caitliyn, Kathy, Catherine, etc. When I was 22 I had had sex with all of 2 women and never even DREAMED of the TERB world.

I also find it rather rich that he sits in judgement of female sexuality (using such words as "sluts" repeatedly and bullshitting about getting blown in washrooms and bleacher sex)while he himself is hanging out on TERB.

People in glass fucking houses shouldn't throw bricks.

Waddaya expect... from a fucking MONKEY! LOL!

 

[Cassini]

I went to a public school because my mother was a teacher in the public school system (yes, she was catholic too). She didn't believe in the Catholic school system because she said that they wasted time teaching religion. In her opinion, there was only so many hours available to teach children in a day and that time was better devoted to teaching the 3 R's.

At least in my day, the Catholic school system taught religion by including an extra 1/2 hour of instruction per day. In a Catholic school, the kids were in class longer.

I think there is something to be said for a motivated special interest group trying to run an education system, a hospital, or any other directed activity. Frequently, they get better results than a government run system. Sometimes, I think with government involvement and full funding in the Catholic Schools and Hospitals, this effect is not as significant as it once was. However, I think an effect still exists where really caring people can put a high priority on creating an innovative and caring educational and health systems.

In certain schools in Britain, 90% of the attendance of some Catholic schools was Muslim. The immigrant parents wanted the school that gave the better education. In Britain, parents have the right to choose the school for their children, subject to capacity constraints.

 

[Mr. Lucky]

I speak for all Public schools but they tend to be more violent
now they have security guards in most schools.

 

[basketcase]

I speak for all Public schools but they tend to be more violent
now they have security guards in most schools.

I know the two most violent high schools in my area are both catholic. One of them has gotten credit for their work with the police but even after their work it is still violent.

 

[iprint]

The original poster is an idiot, I could argue all kinds of points but it would be wasted. I think it has more to do with the quality of people you associate with then were they went to school, maybe take a good look at yourself, your probably a dumb ass "slut" as well.

jm2c

 

[Hiding]

A woman's hormone level peaks in their early 30's. That is a physiological fact. (A male about 16 to 20)

What you were witnessing was partially hormone driven yes (that testosterone was not there in the same quantities prior to puberty) but probably was more acting out than anything else. Peer pressure, societal pressure, and an entire new awareness was more likely the culprit than simple hormones.

Probably. I bet there was three or four who did it and got a lot of attention from the guys (experiencing their hormonal peak from 16-20) and other girls started to do it too. Catholic school girls get a lot of attention from guys (the words themselves are socially-reinforced to be sexually charged) and awareness of that innuendo probably played a role as well.

Either way, I still think kilts in high schools are a bad idea: regardless of what it is (its definitely NOT just Catholic versus private) it becomes a very sexual thing.

As a father of 2 daughters... and having read this... I'm glad my kids school has phased out the kilt!

If I were a parent I'd be glad too. Girls would leave home looking totally acceptable, but in the ten minutes during announcements they'd be crammed in the bathrooms rolling the tops of their skirts up, applying make-up, or in the stalls changing panties. Same thing right after school. It was a hilarious dichotomy; their parents thought their daughters looked innocent and professional and in class they'd be crossing and un-crossing their exposed legs. Might just have been that school environment but every time I drive by a uniformed school I doubt it was just us.

 

[mmello]

Hiding is right. I went to school in the UK in the 70's where all school kids (not just Catholic) had to wear uniforms and many of the girls uniforms were considerably dowdier than today. The girls who wanted to express their sexuality did so regardless, usually by doing all the things Hiding spoke about. They usually looked a lot hotter on their way from school than too it. Some things haven't changed much have they! I think the shool uniform turn on thing stems from our memories of these images during our sexual awakenings and earliest experiences. I'm sure many of us, me included, would admit to some episodes of self gratification stimulated by these images!

 

[james t kirk]

The fact of the matter is that teenage females have been doing the same thing since the beginning of time.

It is the nature of things.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Either way, I still think kilts in high schools are a bad idea: regardless of what it is (its definitely NOT just Catholic versus private) it becomes a very sexual thing.

If I were a parent I'd be glad too. Girls would leave home looking totally acceptable, but in the ten minutes during announcements they'd be crammed in the bathrooms rolling the tops of their skirts up, applying make-up, or in the stalls changing panties. Same thing right after school. It was a hilarious dichotomy; their parents thought their daughters looked innocent and professional and in class they'd be crossing and un-crossing their exposed legs. Might just have been that school environment but every time I drive by a uniformed school I doubt it was just us.

I have daughters in a unifomed school. I know it's better to be well informed but I wish I hadn't read this