Cases vs Deaths

[TeeJay]

WHO numbers show that despite this massive influx of new cases, very few deaths are being counted
So why the panic? Why the paranoia?

Back in early May week 1 the official numbers show nearly 1,200 deaths from 11,000 cases
Yet in past two weeks we now show only 176 deaths from 15,000 cases

Its quite obvious the case counts are soaring yet the deaths are for the most part pretty much non existent (even including the bump contained from Sep 28 to Oct 5)

So what is happening?
A) the people who died in beginning would have died of other causes anyways
B) it is extremely unlikely tests were an accurate picture back in April / May; there probably were ALOT more than 11,000 cases just test capacity was not able to keep up (a virus kill percentage can not drop that radically without immunity or a vaccine)
C) herd immunity might actually have worked its way through the populace by now

Either way take a deep breath and go outside
Relax and stop the paranoia

 

[basketcase]

WHO numbers show that despite this massive influx of new cases, very few deaths are being counted
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Most people would count that as a good thing instead of claiming it evidence of some deep state conspiracy.

And if you took the time to look at actual data, you will see that covid deaths in Canada have increased significantly in October.

Canada COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Canada Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[lenny2]

"Iran tallied more Covid-19 deaths on Monday than any other day since the pandemic began"

Iran tallied more Covid-19 deaths on Monday than any other day since the pandemic began - COVID-19 World News

Iran reported 337 new Covid-19 related deaths on Monday, the country’s Ministry of Health said. It was the highest number of fatalities the nation has seen in a single day since the pandemic began. At least 30,712 people have now been killed in the country by the novel coronavirus, according to...

covid19data.com

 

[lenny2]

"Long-term heart damage likely in some Covid-19 survivors, review finds":


The doctors found that Covid-19 dysregulates the way the blood clots, and damages the lungs and their ability to process fresh oxygen into the blood, they wrote in a review for the American College of Cardiology.

Patients who have had to undergo ventilation — and the medicated sedation that goes along with that — are most in danger, wrote Dr. Sean Pinney of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai and his colleagues.

The doctors noted that about a third of survivors of the closely-related severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) virus in 2003-2004 had persistently abnormal lung function a year after illness, with lower exercise capacity — and Covid-19 appears to damage the heart even more.

A second study noted a kind of damage to the heart known as myocardial injury in about a quarter of coronavirus patients.

A third study in the same journal noted that patients with excess body fat, uncontrolled blood sugar, high blood pressure and high cholesterol face much higher risks of complications from coronavirus. Many Americans have all four problems.

Long-term heart damage likely in some Covid-19 survivors, review finds - COVID-19 World News

Long-term heart damage is likely in some survivors of Covid-19, a team of doctors reported Monday. The doctors found that Covid-19 dysregulates the way the blood clots, and damages the lungs and their ability to process fresh oxygen into the blood, they wrote in a review for the American College...

covid19data.com

 

[lenny2]

Worldwide C-19 daily deaths remain consistently high since March & nowhere near flattening the curve:

covid deaths - Google Zoeken

www.google.com

Herd immunity is a long ways away.

 

[bebe]

Worldwide C-19 daily deaths remain consistently high since March & nowhere near flattening the curve:

covid deaths - Google Zoeken

www.google.com

Herd immunity is a long ways away.

We will never develop herd immunity with restrictions/lockdowns in place. Billions, not millions, need to be infected and recover for natural herd immunity to take hold. Only true hope is a viable vaccine that can be found and administered world wide

 

[TeeJay]

And if you took the time to look at actual data, you will see that covid deaths in Canada have increased significantly in October.

Why you love quoting your random websites when actual WHO links were provided above never ceases to amaze me
No the percentage of deaths in October are at historic lows
Noone cares about total deaths because that number can not be reduced (unless your name is Jesus)
We care about number of dead / number of sick
And this number is VERY low and easily checked

Here is the actual link since your google seems to be broken

Canada: WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data

Canada Coronavirus(COVID-19) statistics. Total and daily confirmed cases and deaths.

covid19.who.int

Week of Oct 19 = 56/7331 = 0.7%
Week of Oct 12 = 137/15989 = 0.8%
week of Oct 5 = 176/15458 = 1.1%
Week of Sept 28 = 154/12203 = 1.2%

Stats are as clear as day
Every single week for past month less people are dying
Its called immunity

And this is also included the padded numbers since we know people who had Covid "like" symptoms and those who died of other (obvious) causes are lumped into this total

 

[Valcazar]

Week of Oct 19 = 56/7331 = 0.7%
Week of Oct 12 = 137/15989 = 0.8%
week of Oct 5 = 176/15458 = 1.1%
Week of Sept 28 = 154/12203 = 1.2%

Stats are as clear as day
Every single week for past month less people are dying
Its called immunity

And this is also included the padded numbers since we know people who had Covid "like" symptoms and those who died of other (obvious) causes are lumped into this total

Check back in a couple of weeks.
As you know, WHO gets their information from countries reporting and there is usually a 1-3 week delay in mortality reporting. (I'm not sure how good Canada is right now.)
Remember when people were trying to say that the cases were being inflated because the number of deaths from earlier weeks were going up after the fact?
Its that.
You may be completely right about the deaths going down (people are better at treating it and it is hitting a population less likely to die from it) but those numbers won't be solid for another 2-3 weeks.

 

[TeeJay]

Check back in a couple of weeks.
As you know, WHO gets their information from countries reporting and there is usually a 1-3 week delay in mortality reporting.

1-3 weeks??? Since when

The Public Health Units have been updating stats every 24 hours during crisis times and are now (at worst) 1 week apart


(but either way its irrelevant as I went 4 weeks back already and the graph above goes *7 months* back)
Even assuming a 1 month margin of error (which is absurd) the stats for past 6 months clearly show a significant decline

A virus does not decrease in lethality
If 10%, 1%, or 0.1% are being effected there is a reason for it (in this case both the padding of numbers + what appears to be an acquired immunity)

 

[Valcazar]

1-3 weeks??? Since when

Since always. No agency reports all deaths that occurred that day on the same day.
It is possible Canada is very efficient with this and no more than a week behind as you say, but this is a known thing.

(but either way its irrelevant as I went 4 weeks back already and the graph above goes *7 months* back)
Even assuming a 1 month margin of error (which is absurd) the stats for past 6 months clearly show a significant decline

A virus does not decrease in lethality
If 10%, 1%, or 0.1% are being effected there is a reason for it (in this case both the padding of numbers + what appears to be an acquired immunity)

Of course a new virus gets less lethal. It infects different populations and treatment gets better.
Your graph is badly labeled (I blame WHO for that, not you) but presumably the charts are all there on the site.

I'll go back to September if I have the chance and calculate fatality percentage.

 

[lenny2]

"I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell

Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-still-unwell

 

[lenny2]

So why the panic? Why the paranoia?

Live carefully, not fearfully.

Either way take a deep breath and go outside
Relax and stop the paranoia

Wise cautionary foresight as opposed to foolish irresponsibility. Like advocating wearing a motorcycle or bicycle helmet.

 

[jalimon]

Uhh duh! These are same people that face the same complications walking up two flights of stairs. These people risk complications for breathing.

Next there will be a study saying people that walk outside during the rain have risk of getting seriously wet.

haha this is true..

Still guys it's all about the healthcare system. We will need to live with this for many more months. I do not really think an effective vaccines will come up before 2022 at the earliest.

Better treatment will certainly come up. But treatment means the infected reach the hospital which is not really good.

Our first best hope is vast massive quick testing. And what everybody hates... better tracing. We have the technology for our phone to tell us exactly the best route to take in your car. You are giving all your location end point to google or apple. But most see government conspiracy to give your whereabouts to an app that would get us out of this mess... We trust private companies that makes money out of out data but we refuse to save other human being. We are weird!

 

[Carvher]

What you say is wrong. When AIDS came out, no one thought there would be a cure coming out soon. It was deemed a death sentence. I remember the medical community not being confident at all about finding a cure. Aids is not like this virus or any other virus. The medical community does feel confident about a vaccine for Covid. Let's hope they are right. Nearly every so called expert I've heard thinks a virus should be coming, time is what everybody can't agree on.

 

[TeeJay]

Of course a new virus gets less lethal. It infects different populations and treatment gets better.

"Treatments"???
The only thing that has changed now since Q1 is identifying and isolating people quicker

 

[basketcase]

US: over 1,100 deaths per day.
Canada: averaging 20 deaths per day.

Seems we're doing something right.

 

[basketcase]

Why you love quoting your random websites when actual WHO links were provided above never ceases to amaze me
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You have a source from the WHO saying Canada's death haven't spiked? The numbers from the Canadian public health sure seem to show it.

 

[basketcase]

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Noone cares about total deaths because that number can not be reduced (unless your name is Jesus)
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I'm sure everyone close to those dead care.

 

[lenny2]

US: over 1,100 deaths per day.
Canada: averaging 20 deaths per day.

Seems we're doing something right.

For one thing the USA has had huge mass gatherings at sporting events, protests & biker rallies.

For another thing the US has a covidiot leader.

 

[TeeJay]

US: over 1,100 deaths per day.
Canada: averaging 20 deaths per day.

Seems we're doing something right.

Obviously reading statistics is not your strong suit lol

"1,100 deaths per day" vs "20 deaths per day"
Do you even know how an average works???

In past 30 days the USA had *2* day with more than 1000 deaths (1,066 & 1,024 to be precise)
That is the WORST day, many others with 500, 600 etc so average is nowhere near 1,100 per day!

(I mean even basic math should show the joke here; 220,563 deaths / 234 days = 942 is their average, and that includes the massive spike from summer)

Canada 9,829 deaths sounds so much better but when contrasted by two facts (death per million & how excessive our lockdowns were vs how much more open the US is and was) is not really doing anything well



Canada 260 dead per million
USA 666 dead per million

They are 2.5 times as bad as we are

Nowhere near the absurd 1,100 to 20 = 55 time claim you make