Carnival and Norwegian Cruise Lines set to skyrocket - buy by Friday

Ceiling Cat

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What are your thoughts on SPY? I am thinking to get some 350 puts going to January given market conditions...
I Have my strategy, methods and tools, I can tell you several stocks that may go up next week including SPY. The market lacks the volume to drive it, when the bottom falls out your gains this week will be swallowed up by the losses. I am out of the market for now.
historically these last three months are when the market really rallies during a midterm election year. anything can happen.
Investors have no confidence in the market, the government ( US ) does not want the market to rally. The FED is doing everything it can to muffle the market without causing a recession. The ( US ) FED fund rate is at 3.25% at this time. My estimate is that when they get it to 5%, +/- 1/2% the FED will ease economic controls and if necessary put some stimulus into the economy to boost the market if necessary. We are in for a long bumpy ride. That is not to say that there are no opportunities in the future. I am keeping my powder dry for now.
 

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You going to double down?
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I have already bought a ton more shares since my initial investment, and now invested $130,000 USD, which is 1/3 my entire porfolio.

The reason why Carnival crashed on Friday was because they did not make a profit the last quarter. But the reason they didn't was of course due to the economic climate, with high inflation and oil prices driving up costs. The higher food, wage and oil costs decreased profit margins. Becuase of this, their Q4 guidance is also relatively weak. However, their advanced bookngs for 2023 have are very strong, surpassing 2019, and the ticket prices are at higher prices, so revenue and profit should be very good. The market reaction was way out of proportion, and very suprising.

Another reason people are bearish about Carnival and the cruise lines is because they have taken on a lot debt. But no one expects the cruise lines to go bankrupt, they have enough cash to sustain them, and once they become profitable next year, they can slolwly pay their debts off.

If you are patient, and willing to hold on to these stocks for several years, you will most likely see good returns. Historially, after every major crash, Carnival has always rebounded stronger within a few years, reaching new highs. Look a the historical chart.


The pandemic and economic fear has wiped out 30 years of gains, and Carnival is selling at less than 10% of what it was just five years ago. It's insane. The unfortunate association of with Covid and cruise lines has left investors unwilling to touch cruise stocks when they can literally buy anything else.

But, as Buffet says, buy when people are scared the most. If you invest $5,000 today, ten years from now, it will most likely be worth $30,000 - $50,000. Of course, no guarantees.

Part of why I'm so confident is because I've actually taken a cruise. I loved the experience, it was amazing. The food, entertainment, amenities was such an incredible experience. As the boomers retire and people get older, more will take cruises. There is such a demand for them, as they offer a convenient and fun experience. This is not some bullshit tech company that provides no real value. It's a legitimate business that people love and offers somethint of value. The demand will never go away. And everything is about demand and supply. The big three cruise lines control virtually all the market share in the US, with Carnival being by far the largest. It's the most important player in the game.

For me, I've already bought in many times as the stock went down, so I've reached my limit. But for someone who has no shares, this would be the time to buy.




What is the market share of Carnival Cruise Lines?


Carnival Corporation controls with 45% the cruise market: cruise brands include Carnival Cruise Line, Holland America Line, Princess Cruises, Seabourn; P&O Cruises and Cunard in the United Kingdom; AIDA Cruises in Germany; Costa Cruises in Southern Europe; and P&O Cruises in Australia.





I don't want people to buy this stock and blame me for losing money, do your own due diligence. But what I can tell you is that there is a huge demand for cruises, and these companies will not go bankrupt as there will always be a demand for their products. When inflation dies down, and the economy rebounds, Carnival will rebound much stronger than the market, just like it crashed much harder than the market.





 
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The economic squeeze is manufacture and manipulated by the US Government, the rest of the world is going along with it because it is the best we can do for now. An analogy is to compare this situation to an aircraft out of control, if you see no runway to land on then we have to stay in the air long enough to find a forest so that we can skid the tree tops to reduce speed for a controlled crash landing. The objective is to achieve the best conclusion possible with the least cost to the world economy. Better a world of no/slow economic growth than a bread line scenario.

The ( US ) FED fund rate is at 3.25% at this time. My guess is that when they get it to 5%, +/- 1/2% the FED will throttle back economic tightening. That may be in the next 3-6 months. It will be a economic cycle of high and low for 10-12-15 years. We have always lived in a changing world, but these are the times of the most severe changes in our lifetime.
 
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The economic squeeze is manufacture and manipulated by the US Government, the rest of the world is going along with it because it is the best we can do for now. An analogy is to compare this situation to an aircraft out of control, if you see no runway to land on then we have to stay in the air long enough to find a forest so that we can skid the tree tops to reduce speed for a controlled crash landing. The objective is to achieve the best conclusion possible with the least cost to the world economy. Better a world of no/slow economic growth than a bread line scenario.

The ( US ) FED fund rate is at 3.25% at this time. My guess is that when they get it to 5%, +/- 1/2% the FED will throttle back economic tightening. That may be in the next 3-6 months. It will be a economic cycle of high and low for 10-12-15 years. We have always lived in a changing world, but these are the times of the most severe changes in our lifetime.
Stocks will not rebound until the fed pivots and lowers interest rates. That is dependednt on inflation, which so far is red hot and shows no signs of dropping signficantly. I agree, 3-6 months is when we'll see a turnaround.
 

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Any opinions on new lows for the stock? I think we will see it hit under 5.00 within the next 3 months.
 

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Any opinions on new lows for the stock? I think we will see it hit under 5.00 within the next 3 months.
It' anyone's guess, but I think it will rebound next week, and after that the recovery will begin slowly and then pick up steam. It probably won\t drop 30% more to $5, even that's a bit too much.

Carnival and other cruise stocks plummeted 85% in just a couple days when COVID started. At that point, no one knew how bad it would get, it could have been like SARS and been over in a short time. Also, none of these companies had massive debts at that time. So to say they were worth all of a sudden only 15% of what they were a few days ago was ridiculous. It was the uncertainity that tanked them, nothing else.

The same fear and uncertainty is playing out now, hence the steep drop. But this time the uncertainty is focused the economy as a whole.

What the market is getting wrong is that in the short run, yes, anything can happen. But in the long run, we know that economic conditions will improve, inflation will die down, and things will be good again. They always do. And of course people aren't going to stop buying plane tickets, renting cars, booking hotels, and going on cruises. That part is certain ... in the long run. Cruise lines will be profitable again because they are a profitable business with high demand. They offer a real, valuable service that people want, period.

Also, if there were hundreds of cruise lines, with some being in better positions than others, then it would be a different story. But all three cruise lines are in the same boat, so to speak. None has an advantage over the other. Carnival, being the biggest of the three controls half the industry. Just one company.

There's more uncertainty in companies such as Meta. Nobody knows how popular and profitable Facebook or the Metaverse will be in the future.

If you had to own the largest cruise ship company on sale at 90%, and which is almost guaranteed to make money every year from now on, or Meta, a company with a checkered past and questionable strategies, which would you choose?

Carnival should see some strong recovery in the upcoming years. It is just the last of the recovery stocks because COVID hit it the hardest. That is all there is to it.
 
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There's always going to be one or two super bearish analysts for any stock. Of course, anyhting can happen to any stock.

Tesla down 8% today because they slightly missed on deliveries. Yet, there was a perfectly logical explanation for that. They didn't want to simply pay expedited shipping to deliver cars just to reach targets. Those were cars that were ordered and could have been delivered, but Tesla thought it wasn't worth theo cost just to make deliveries and reach target. They\re not seeing the bigger picture, that Tesla has been delivering 50% more cars year after year, which is incredible.

A lof of times these articles are written to manipulate the market.

 
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It's impossible to predict the bottom. But, I'm 100% sure that we are not there yet...
 
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