Carney's immigration plan a recipe for more overcrowding

[Uwauwa]

What does that mean?
You are letting people in, and therefore that number is going to be greater than 0.

I mean 0 after you account for the exception of those few highly skilled ones and necessary after being properly verified.

 

[mandrill]

Look, we can all agree that the Trudeau government mess up immigration, especially the TFW program and to a lesser extent, the International students program. What they did was make housing more expensive and made it hard for Canadians (especially teens) to get jobs in places like Tim Hortons. That sucks. And, now that they've reversed course, colleges and universities across Canada (especially the ones who really recruited international students) are slashing programs and courses...which does suck for them because Ontario (and other provinces) won't allow them to raise tuition fees...

But, the one part of the immigration problem that not many people are addressing is Canada's demographic timebomb. We have an aging population and a birthrate that is well below replacement levels, let along growth. We need younger workers to help support the elderly (in healthcare for example), as well as work the jobs of the future. And, let's be realistic, having a large domestic market would help build Canada in several ways.

So, what I'm saying is, we still need to a pipeline of immigrants to help build this country. I know there are several righties out there who just want white Europeans to be the main source of immigration....But, that is not the case. But, I still think Canada's points system for immigration is top notch, and should be continued. And, the provinces should forces their regulatory bodies (like the College of Physicians and Surgeons) to make it easier for foreign born and trained doctors to practice in Canada. Why are we wasting talent like this, forcing them to do shit like drive a taxi? Especially when we need more doctors and nurses...

The bottom line is that we need a solid plan. One where we get the best and brightest immigrants to come here and help build the country, even settle new areas. I mean, one of the potential benefits of climate change is we could see more people living in the North. Of course we would need to massively invest in infrastructure to make that a possibility.

Exactly.

And this is where I always add that Canada absorbed massive immigration through the 1950's and 1960's and kept housing prices low because there was also a massive building boom at the same time. We also need to be looking at why new houses and apartments aren't being built at the same rate as in the 1960's.

 

[DesRicardo]

Look, we can all agree that the Trudeau government mess up immigration

Most Liberals won't even agree to this.

 

[JohnLarue]

I find it extremely amusing that you accuse anyone of partisanship. But, I guess that's the world we live in...

there is nothing amusing about the damage the liberal party has done to Canada in the past decade

i do not believe you have a god damn clue what is at stake here

Carney won the election, now he has to deliver the goods
For Canada sake I hope he can get these tariffs lifted

if he can not, then we have just re-elected a set of corrupt fools for another 4 years with an imploding economy and put Canadian unity at risk

There will not be a deal done today
But Carney says we can afford to wait and that is dangerous

the solutions to the challenges Canada faces are not at all compatible with Carney's globalist net zero agenda

how is he going to negotiate the removal of tariffs and then turn around and place a carbon tariff on all US Imports / Chinese imports because they do not have a carbon tax ?

 

[JohnLarue]

Exactly.

And this is where I always add that Canada absorbed massive immigration through the 1950's and 1960's and kept housing prices low because there was also a massive building boom at the same time. We also need to be looking at why new houses and apartments aren't being built at the same rate as in the 1960's.

new houses and apartments aren't being built at the same rate as in the 1960's. because of zoning regulations and massive development charges by govt

 

[JohnLarue]

Most Liberals won't even agree to this.

yet the liberals are supposedly going to fix what wont admit they broke

 

[silentkisser]

there is nothing amusing about the damage the liberal party has done to Canada in the past decade

i do not believe you have a god damn clue what is at stake here

Carney won the election, now he has to deliver the goods
For Canada sake I hope he can get these tariffs lifted

if he can not, then we have just re-elected a set of corrupt fools for another 4 years with an imploding economy and put Canadian unity at risk

There will not be a deal done today
But Carney says we can afford to wait and that is dangerous

the solutions to the challenges Canada faces are not at all compatible with Carney's globalist net zero agenda

how is he going to negotiate the removal of tariffs and then turn around and place a carbon tariff on all US Imports / Chinese imports because they do not have a carbon tax ?

I still find it amusing that one of the most partisan people on this board can call someone, without any shame, partisan. Or pretend they are not partisan. And pretend to be a centrist.

You just wanna rail against any Liberal, elected or unelected, and ignore the warts of your chosen side. Good luck on that.

 

[mandrill]

There are also issues with health care in Ontario and these have been outstanding since the 2000's. Ontario is simply not graduating an appropriate # of doctors.

I have no idea why simply increasing med school enrollment wasn't done 20 years ago to ensure ongoing accessibility to health care. While immigration levels exacerbate the health care access shortfall and the housing crisis, both of these issues should have had independent attention at the provincial level 20 years ago.

The health access issue is worsened by the exclusionary attitude of the Ontario professional health care bodies to foreign qualifications and experience. It is FAR easier for a foreign qualified nurse to re qualify in Quebec than in Ontario and I have no fucking idea why that should even be, given Ontario's health access problems.

 

[JohnLarue]

I still find it amusing that one of the most partisan people on this board can call someone, without any shame, partisan. Or pretend they are not partisan. And pretend to be a centrist.

You just wanna rail against any Liberal, elected or unelected, and ignore the warts of your chosen side. Good luck on that.

oh boy
there is no partisanship when a political party makes a god damn mess
there is just a god damn mess

what is wrong with you?

 

[JohnLarue]

There are also issues with health care in Ontario and these have been outstanding since the 2000's. Ontario is simply not graduating an appropriate # of doctors.

I have no idea why simply increasing med school enrollment wasn't done 20 years ago to ensure ongoing accessibility to health care. While immigration levels exacerbate the health care access shortfall and the housing crisis, both of these issues should have had independent attention at the provincial level 20 years ago.

The health access issue is worsened by the exclusionary attitude of the Ontario professional health care bodies to foreign qualifications and experience. It is FAR easier for a foreign qualified nurse to re qualify in Quebec than in Ontario and I have no fucking idea why that should even be, given Ontario's health access problems.

granny Wynne spent all the money and effort fighting a trace gas co2 and enriching the unions

 

[silentkisser]

oh boy
there is no partisanship when a political party makes a god damn mess
there is just a god damn mess

what is wrong with you?

LOL
Failed ideology....

You just cannot help yourself. You are so partisan, you might as well run for Conservative leader.

It's funny because I am 100% sure we haven't seen you criticize Dougie Ford and his scandalous government's behaviour...

See, the difference between us is that I can call out the left for making mistakes. That is something you cannot do with the right. Would you get censured for it? Black listed? Who knows...

 

[JohnLarue]

LOL
Failed ideology....

You just cannot help yourself. You are so partisan, you might as well run for Conservative leader.

It's funny because I am 100% sure we haven't seen you criticize Dougie Ford and his scandalous government's behaviour...

See, the difference between us is that I can call out the left for making mistakes. That is something you cannot do with the right. Would you get censured for it? Black listed? Who knows...

look dummy

the incumbent party has to answer for its actions and in the case of the Federal Liberals they have to answer of 10 years of failures and corruption

Doug Ford has been OK , not great, but not a disaster. he inherited a liberal mess

his performance is not relevant as he did not screw up our immigration system and he has no control over future immigration

in addition to your obvious blatant bias and liberal boot licking, you always default to defection by injecting someone else (trump / Ford) who is not relevant

let me clear that up for you
if Doug Ford, Donald Trump or even Pierre P had never existed, Justin Trudeau, the Liberal party of Canada and by extension Mark Carney would still have created a god damn mess to our housing and health care system with their failed immigration policy.

and just as important
if Doug Ford, Donald Trump or even Pierre P had never existed, Justin Trudeau, the Liberal party of Canada and by extension Mark Carney need to be held accountable for the god damn mess to our housing and health care system because of their their failed immigration policy.

politicians are responsible for their failed policies

it is bewildering that you do not understand this
is your bulb really that dim?

 

[jeff2]

Exactly.

And this is where I always add that Canada absorbed massive immigration through the 1950's and 1960's and kept housing prices low because there was also a massive building boom at the same time. We also need to be looking at why new houses and apartments aren't being built at the same rate as in the 1960's.

Don't think there were greenbelts in the 50s and 60s and therefore no need for NIMBY's either.