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Carney's immigration plan a recipe for more overcrowding

DesRicardo

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Now we see why Carney waited for the last moment to release his platform.

It's exactly what a lot of us have been saying. It's just Justin's policies that still align with Globalist agendas.


Elect a Private Equity investor as a PM, don't be surprised you get screwed over in the end like in the private sector.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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This is not a very good article.
It says "Harper era numbers" = good.
Anything else = bad.
The revised targets set by Carney is a good start that can be evaluated and corrected.
Although the TFW and the student program have been abused, we have to balance reducing their numbers with our economic needs.
For example, many businesses need low wage workers and foreign students bring a lot of cash to Ontario.
You cannot just take that away suddenly.
To attribute everything to "over crowding" also seems like rhetoric when we have not been building that many homes either, which incidentally Carney promises to invest in.
What I gather from conservatives is:
- reduce immigration to "Harper era magic numbers".
- Dont invest in Canada because it is spending.
- Keep putting all our eggs in one basket in the US.
- Cut services to Canadians when economic times are tough.
- Cut taxes for the rich and deregulate so it encourages one or two industries while ignoring the rest.
- Pander to MAGA.
This is why they lost.
 

JohnLarue

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Now we see why Carney waited for the last moment to release his platform.

It's exactly what a lot of us have been saying. It's just Justin's policies that still align with Globalist agendas.


Elect a Private Equity investor as a PM, don't be surprised you get screwed over in the end like in the private sector.
Canadians regret falling for the Trudeau image
Canadians will regret falling for the Carney image

As much as I love my fellow Canadians I am doubting their collective intelligence
 
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southpaw

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This is why they lost.
It was a close win, not a landslide. And Trump had a lot to do with swinging it. When Canada finally does elect its own Trump, don't say you didn't see it coming.
 

DesRicardo

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Canadians regret falling for the Trudeau image
Canadians will regret falling for the Carney image

As much as I love my fellow Canadians and am doubting their collective intelligence
Yup, Carney want's to cap PR at 1%.

That doesn't sound so bad right? Well, let's do the math.

Canada's population is around 42 million. At 1% that would be a cap at 420,000. That's still ridiculously high. What the hell are these guys talking about?

This is literally Century Initiative BS that we would get from Justin. The more info that comes out, the sleazier Carney becomes.
 

southpaw

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How do you know that's high?
What is the right number?
At this point, zero. Integrate those who are already here. Build enough housing for everyone here. If your ship is sinking, first plug the leak.
 

Butler1000

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This is not a very good article.
It says "Harper era numbers" = good.
Anything else = bad.
The revised targets set by Carney is a good start that can be evaluated and corrected.
Although the TFW and the student program have been abused, we have to balance reducing their numbers with our economic needs.
For example, many businesses need low wage workers and foreign students bring a lot of cash to Ontario.
You cannot just take that away suddenly.
To attribute everything to "over crowding" also seems like rhetoric when we have not been building that many homes either, which incidentally Carney promises to invest in.
What I gather from conservatives is:
- reduce immigration to "Harper era magic numbers".
- Dont invest in Canada because it is spending.
- Keep putting all our eggs in one basket in the US.
- Cut services to Canadians when economic times are tough.
- Cut taxes for the rich and deregulate so it encourages one or two industries while ignoring the rest.
- Pander to MAGA.
This is why they lost.
Ontario has already lowered enrollment. We have plenty of low wage workers. We just need to get them out of the Niagara hotels, with work papers.

As for the rest it's all rhetoric and not constructive at all.
 

Butler1000

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No answer as usual. lol.
420K is less than 600K.
If 420K is found to be higher later, it can be course corrected so Carney is doing the right things.
I thinkbthe number should, gor the next two years, be around 250,000, with a heavy concentration of skilled workers in Healthcare, construction, and engineering types for all the building he wants to do.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Ontario has already lowered enrollment. We have plenty of low wage workers. We just need to get them out of the Niagara hotels, with work papers.

As for the rest it's all rhetoric and not constructive at all.
Yeah we can do whatever is necessary and then correct numbers accordingly.
To blanket say Carney is wrong and Harper is good seems motivated by politics than reality.
I thinkbthe number should, gor the next two years, be around 250,000, with a heavy concentration of skilled workers in Healthcare, construction, and engineering types for all the building he wants to do.
Okay, but needs to be balanced against actual needs.
As I said, it can be course corrected later.
 
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southpaw

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We have plenty of low wage workers. We just need to get them out of the Niagara hotels, with work papers.
They have PTSD and can't work. Now would you please cover the costs of their children born in Canada? Thank you.
 

JohnLarue

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No answer as usual. lol.
420K is less than 600K.
If 420K is found to be higher later, it can be course corrected so Carney is doing the right things.
that is a stupid response

they did not get the level of immigration right before
so they wont get the level of immigration right now

full stop until we get a lot of houses built for the flood of new citizens already here
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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The thing is it was found to be too high.

You will just never admit it.
I admitted it is high earlier and that it needs to be reduced, particularly TFW and students.
But I don't agree with drastic cuts because while they make for good talking points, aren't practical.
You want to make incremental changes, evaluate and course correct.
 

Butler1000

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Yeah we can do whatever is necessary and then correct numbers accordingly.
To blanket say Carney is wrong and Harper is good seems motivated by politics than reality.

Okay, but needs to be balanced against actual needs.
As I said, it can be course corrected later.
As I walk through union station every morning and see the homeless refugees needing help we are already at "Need for course correction" time. That is what you aren't acknowledging
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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As I walk through union station every morning and see the homeless refugees needing help we are already at "Need for course correction" time. That is what you aren't acknowledging
I agree we are at course correction time, which is what I believe Carney is doing by reducing future immigration targets.
That can be course corrected up or down, later, per results is what I mean.
 
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