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Carney taking on Trump

squeezer

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Time to put her pussy where your mouth is squeezy....don't be cheap...$220/hh is all it takes to find out.
I'm an hour type of guy, Ritche plus I would have to buy a thesaurus, a dictionary and have Google ready to go to keep up with the young lady.
 

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Trump has chosen his right man for the job.
Submissive, quiet, respectful and obedient. Why else would he have endorsed him so much?
That is the best cope yet that I have seen! lmfao.
Carney was quiet because it was beneath his intellect to engage with Trump in that manner.
All Trump wants in a big show in the white house in front of the press the likes of which we saw with Zelensky.
Carney sat there looking like a dad watching his special needs child, while a slouched over Trump incoherently rambled for 45 minutes.
Alone.
Being denied the tough guy image he loves to put on.
Very well done by Carney, while treating Trump's 51st state comment in an offhand manner to which the only response Trump could muster was a nervous "Never say never!!". lmfao.
 
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That is the best cope yet that I have seen! lmfao.
Carney was quiet because it was beneath his intellect to engage with Trump in that manner.
All Trump wants in a big show in the white house in front of the press the likes of which we saw with Zelensky.
Carney sat there looking like a dad watching his special needs child, while a slouched over Trump incoherently rambled for 45 minutes.
Alone.
Being denied the tough guy image he loves to put on.
Very well done by Carney, while treating Trump's 51st state comment in an offhand manner to which the only response Trump could muster was a nervous "Never say never!!". lmfao.
He sat there because he doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds.

The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you'll stop looking so naive and foolish thinking Carney has any power over Trump at all. That's why Trump preferred him over Poilievre.

btw Carney didn't tell Trump to stop referring to Canada as the 51st state. He only said he told him that afterwards in private. Yeah sure.
You were played...again.
 
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He said that right in the press conference.
Even Trump chuckled nervously because he knew that line from Carney was a good one.
He did not say that. He only told a story about real estate and how Canada is not a property for sale. Even though no one offered to buy Canada.

Show us a quote where he told Trump not to refer to Canada as the 51st state. I haven't searched myself but I don't recall hearing that.

Carney only mentioned it afterwards in the press conference only he was at.

If I'm wrong I'll accept that I missed it.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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He only told a story about real estate and how Canada is not a property for sale.
Carney only mentioned it afterwards in the press conference only he was at.
Its not for sale is both a political and economic statement.
Without "buying" Canada in some way, Canada cannot be owned and without owning Canada it cannot be the 51st state.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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He sat there because he doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds.
He didn't say much because he did not have to.
Trump made himself look foolish without Carney opening his mouth and when he did open his mouth it was to put Trump in his place.
All without Trump even realizing it.
That was a job well done by Carney.
 

Butler1000

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no

you have no clue what is going to happen

why do you think the UK signed a deal ?

why did the UK not drag out negotiating while watching them pay more ?
Shirley they could have gotten a better deal down the road with your drag it out strategy

you are letting your emotions cloud your judgement
There is no deal signed
There is no deal signed
There is no deal signed

There is a framework announced with a few carve outs for things like British Luxury vehicles(up to 100,000 vehicles before the tariff kicks in, the same amount they ship anyway) while the 10% remains on all goods. And a promise to look into buying more US beef. All other agricultural products banned before are still banned. Total optimistically is about 5 billion in trade.

This is a tiny deal, a rounding error compared to USMCA.

That's it. Stop lying.
 
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JohnLarue

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There is no deal signed
There is no deal signed
There is no deal signed

There is a framework announced with a few carve outs for things like British Luxury vehicles(up to 100,000 vehicles before the tariff kicks in, the same amount they ship anyway) while the 10% remains on all goods. And a promise to look into buying more US beef. All other agricultural products banned before are still banned. Total optimistically is about 5 billion in trade.

This is a tiny deal, a rounding error compared to USMCA.

That's it. Stop lying.

gee
you say there is no deal but everyone else says there is a deal



US and UK agree deal slashing Trump tariffs on cars and metals

U.S.-U.K. Trade Deal to Build on Close Ties but Leave Some Tariffs in Place

U.S. announces trade deal with U.K


and then you go and contraDICK yourself

This is a tiny deal, a rounding error compared to USMCA.
look
the UK got a deal
there will be more deals to come as other countries look to act in their own interest

your wait them out strategy is a failure
 

JohnLarue

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Trump has chosen his right man for the job.
Submissive, quiet, respectful and obedient. Why else would he have endorsed him so much?

I also think it's funny when people say "Canada is not for sale"...I don't think the US has offered to buy it have they?



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you are correct
at no point has a monetary offer been made

we could possibly have called his bluff indicating the price was a non-negotiable $5 MM or $10 MM US for each man woman and child and ask to exclude Baffin Island from the deal and reserve that land for the socialist to create a commune
 

Butler1000

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gee
you say there is no deal but everyone else says there is a deal



US and UK agree deal slashing Trump tariffs on cars and metals

U.S.-U.K. Trade Deal to Build on Close Ties but Leave Some Tariffs in Place

U.S. announces trade deal with U.K


and then you go and contraDICK yourself



look
the UK got a deal
there will be more deals to come as other countries look to act in their own interest

your wait them out strategy is a failure
Your own articles state it will have no meaningful change and the 10% tariff remains

That's a deal?

Really?

You still haven't figured out what this is really about, and how Trump is failing, have you?
 
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Your own articles state it will have no meaningful change and the 10% tariff remains

That's a deal?

Really?

You still haven't figured out what this is really about, and how Trump is failing, have you?
you ignore what you do not want to hear
and you let your emotions cloud your judgement
and you seem only concerned with your own position
there are far too many Canadian jobs and futures at risk to take such a selfish position

you foolishly think the international community is going to act in unison ignore Trump and save Canada
This is not union driven collective bargaining
and the UK just showed you each nation will act in its own best interest
Next up, perhaps India, Japan, perhaps Mexico, Brazil, Argentina , all of whom will happily claim some of Canada's share of the US import market

here chew on this

American Automotive Policy Council President Matt Blunt said he was disappointed that the deal Thursday would give U.K automakers an advantage over those in the deeply integrated North American auto market.

"Under this deal, it will now be cheaper to import a U.K. vehicle with very little U.S. content than a (CUSMA-compliant) vehicle from Mexico or Canada that is half American parts," Blunt said in a statement from the council, which represents the Big Three automakers — Ford, General Motors and Stellantis.


If Canada waits 18 months there will be nothing left of the US import market that has not been allocated to other nation in trade deals

my guess is Trump would prefer to leave China isolated and the last one without a deal, however he will do do deals with those who are willing
 
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The conundrum is what do chronic surplus countries do with that money from massive trade surpluses. Please don't say bitcoin or gold. Even if those markets were deep enough (they're not), these are essentially just bookkeeping investment accounts. The gold and bitcoin sellers that wind up with all those dollars have to find a home for them in the U.S. economy. Treasury purchases are liquid and low risk.

Ideally, China, Japan and Taiwan shift to government policy that supports higher consumption levels. Right now, they have built their government policies and their economies around promoting exports.
Its like complaining that amazon has a trade surplus because they make a profit so they should be destroyed.
 
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Butler1000

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you ignore what you do not want to hear
and you let your emotions cloud your judgement
and you seem only concerned with your own position
there are far too many Canadian jobs and futures at risk to take such a selfish position

you foolishly think the international community is going to act in unison ignore Trump and save Canada
This is not union driven collective bargaining
and the UK just showed you each nation will act in its own best interest
Next up, perhaps India, Japan, perhaps Mexico, Brazil, Argentina , all of whom will happily claim some of Canada's share of the US import market

here chew on this





If Canada waits 18 months there will be nothing left of the US import market that has not been allocated to other nation in trade deals

my guess is Trump would prefer to leave China isolated and the last one without a deal, however he will do do deals with those who are willing
Your guess is wrong. He has one goal. To generate enough income to justify his tax cut bill for the wealthy in the reconciliation process. That's what DOGE was, and what this is. That's it. Nothing else.
 
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JohnLarue

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Your guess is wrong. He has one goal. To generate enough income to justify his tax cut bill for the wealthy in the reconciliation process. That's what DOGE was, and what this is. That's it. Nothing else.
doge is about unsustainable deficits and debt

the debt the US government has accumulated in its 240 year history is going to double in the next 9 years under the status quo
currently 20% of all US govt revenue goes to interest payments on its unsustainable debt

He is trying to shrink the cost of govt to avoid a fast approaching govt insolvency

you are risk adverse, you should understand this, but do not as you allow your emotions to cloud your judgement

the end game of the trade wars and the tax relief are to drive long term US economic growth
a stronger economy will generate higher tax revenue
whether the trade wars and the tax relief will accomplish this goal remains to be seen

China is the real economic threat to the US and he wants to reset the trade in balance

pretending there is one simple goal here is naive as you allow your emotions to cloud your judgement
it is also exceptionally naive to pretend Canada can afford to wait him out
 
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doge is about unsustainable deficits and debt

the debt the US government has accumulated in its 240 year history is going to double in the next 9 years under the status quo
currently 20% of all US govt revenue goes to interest payments on its unsustainable debt

He is trying to shrink the cost of govt to avoid a fast approaching govt insolvency

you are risk adverse, you should understand this, but do not as you allow your emotions to cloud your judgement

the end game of the trade wars and the tax relief are to drive long term US economic growth
a stronger economy will generate higher tax revenue
whether the trade wars and the tax relief will accomplish this goal remains to be seen

China is the real economic threat to the US and he wants to reset the trade in balance

pretending there is one simple goal here is naive as you allow your emotions to cloud your judgement
it is also exceptionally naive to pretend Canada can afford to wait him out

Lol. No it isn't. All this is to try to appease the Freedom Caucus deficit hawks so they will pass the tax bill in September. Unless Trump can either increase revenue or decrease spending they won't allow him to raise the deficit.

If it was about the deficit they why add about 120 billion to the Military budget when they have NEVER PASSED AN AUDIT. And now it appears DOGE is a complete failure. There original target was 2 trillion saving, then 1 Trillion, then 150 billion. And now because of hire banks to essential personel as contractors they are losing more.

So he needs tariffs because it's a great sales tax. And that is all it is. Once he gets the bill passed he will cut the big deals, declare victory, and lose at the midterms. Leaving the Democrats to deal with a budget deficit due to tax cuts without future tariff revenue.

The whole point being to do two things. One tax cuts for corporations, and two, create a crisis so they cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security first by means testing, second by reducing services to make it harder to access, and finally by saying it's a bad program.

And then they try to play shit off on the Democrats when they make hard choices. That's what is going on.
 
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