Exactly what he did. Not make an ass off himself and understand he is dealing with a clown.
Carney taking on Trump
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Then stay in the US with the rest of the fat, overfed Americunts.
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Why would Carney acquiesce to a craven coward? Trump thinks he's the Emperor of the world, he doesn't realize how vulnerable the USA is. If Japan and China start selling of US Treasury Securities we could see Wiemar Republic level inflation in America. You get what you elect.
So like I said a lot of hot air.
Should of saved the planet from all that plane CO2 emission.
but you had a problem with Danelle Smith being diplomatic with Trump
you do not proof read what you post
you start by by saying no concerns Carney is going to back down or capitulate.
no concerns, 100% confident, its in the bag Carney wont capitulate
but then you finish with
but we'll see how that all shakes out
i,e. you do not know how this will end, you do not have a clue what is going to happen, nothing is certain
just useless blither from you
Well he is clearly smarter then you. Carney will knows that the US trade war is going disastrously, with almost daily walk backs and lies to deflect the fact that there are no substantive concessions from anyone, and that, while everyone will take a hit, the US is the one that is gonna take all those hits combined. Everyone else will work cooperatively to mitigate their situation, the USA will be left alone with a world united against it. Internal Free trade is a much more fruitful project for Carney to work on, while the Trump admin is left to stew in its own incompetence as failures pile up against it. Failure in Ukraine, failure in Iran, failure with the Houthis, and inventories rapidly running down to empty as Chinese shipments stop and retailers warehouses empty.I expect him to put his elbows up.
Oh come on, Agent smith practically begged Trump to join the USA. Its funny you support an OBVIOUS traitor and then somehow claim Carney is a traitor. So far there have been many walkbacks on US tariffs so why hurry? If you hurry, you will get a shitty deal. If you let the disaster unfold you can get a more durable deal with a bit more pain upfront.
- What China or Japan will do with US treasuries has nothing to do with Carney
- They will act in their own interests
- the majority of US treasuries are held by institutional investors not controlled by govt ( this get a little murky with China and the commies)
- if there is a run on US treasuries it will because of the growth in the size of US govt debt, not tariffs
- unwinding muti-billion dollar positions in the debt market can be expectational risky/ expensive - nobody throws away money to screw a political opponent.
- yeah Trumps a prick, but he is not going anywhere for 4 years
I do not fault him for that as those moves are just and common sense. I do fault Trudeau for permitting those issues to occur ( what an idiot) with his irresponsible open boarders policy
Trump will want more that just that >>>> supply management , specifically dairy, poultry, pork
And that will be political dynamite for Carney
does he risk the auto sector to save supply management ?
this is important
Carney can not wait Trump out for too long
When you sleep at night Desi, does Carney dance around in your head? LMAO, you're possessed dude.
More like slither on the ground like a snake.
Carney looked and sounded like Peewee Herman. Trump said he's not budging on the tariffs.
BREAKING: Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney humiliates Donald Trump inside the Oval Office by telling him to his face that Canada will "never" be "for sale" despite his imperialist fantasies.
This is what an expert diplomat sounds like in action...
"Mr. President you have said that Canada should become the 51st state, any thoughts?" asked a reporter during a meeting between the two leaders.
"No, no, well I still believe that but you know takes two to tango right? But no I do. I mean I believe it would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens, uh, you get free military," said Trump.
"You get tremendous medical cares and other things," he continued. "There would be a lot of, uh, advantages but it would be a massive tax cut and it's also a beautiful... You know as a real estate developer — you know I'm a real estate developer at heart — when you get rid of that artificially drawn line... Somebody drew that line many years ago with a like a ruler, just a straight line right across the top of the country."
"When you look at that beautiful formation when it's together. I'm a very artistic person but when I looked at that— I said that's the way it was meant to be," said Trump. "But you know it, uh, I just do feel it's much better for Canada."
"But we're not going to be discussing that unless somebody wants to discuss it," he rambled on. "I think that there are tremendous benefits to the Canadian citizens, tremendously lower taxes, free military which honestly we give you essentially anyway because we're protecting Canada if you ever had a problem but, uh, you know it's, uh, it would really be a wonderful marriage because it's... It's two places that get along very well, they like each other a lot."
"Well if I may, as you know from real estate there are some places that are never for sale," said Carney.
"That's true," admitted Trump.
"We're sitting in one right now, you know Buckingham Palace you visited as well," said Carney.
"That's true," said Trump again.
"And having met with the owners of Canada over the course of the campaign last several months, it's not for sale, won't be for sale ever, but the opportunity is in the partnership and what we can build together," said Carney.
Carney recently won his country's election, in part because widespread backlash against Trump drove voters away from the conservative candidate.
"And we have done that in the past and part of that as the president just said is with respect to our own security and my government is committed for a step change in our investment in Canadian security and our partnership," said Carney.
"And I'll say this as well, that the president has revitalized international security, revitalized NATO, and us playing our full weight in NATO and that will be part of it," he added, flattering Trump's ego to get what he wants.
"I must say, Canada is stepping up the military, uh, participation because, Mark knew, you know, they were low and that's a very important thing but never say never! Never say never," said Trump.
This is how you deal with an egomaniacal ignoramus like Trump: put your foot down hard on the issues that matter, then smooth things over with some meaningless positive affirmations. It's like soothing a toddler who needs to be put to bed.
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It was so nice how Carney stood up for Crystia Freeland, when Trump basically called her incompetent. Guess Carney agrees with that assessment. And when Trump said never say never, Carney response was.... crickets, should have been no, never means never, but guess Carney just isn't the tough guy Liberals were expecting.
Carney used smart, strategic diplomacy in dealing with Trump, like mental kung fu. He expected Trump’s bold move to suggest making Canada the 51st state and calmly shut it down by saying, “Canada is not for sale.” When faced with U.S. tariffs and Trump’s claim that the U.S. didn’t need Canadian goods, Carney stayed calm, focusing on partnership instead of conflict. He watched Trump carefully, looking for weaknesses, and pushed for removing tariffs while pointing to shared international goals. By staying diplomatic and avoiding a fight, Carney protected Canada’s interests and kept the conversation with the U.S. productive. Carney did Canada proud, he projected a positive image to the American public.
All the hot air came from Trump. Carney told Trump, America and the whole world that Canada is not for sale. Carney is playing the waiting game. He is holding the fort till the rest of the world comes on board and fight trump together. When Trump starts to tariff countries from around the world, it will be the beginning of the end for Trump. He has already lost backing from most of America, he will lose backing from the MAGAs this summer. Long before the mid term elections, Trump will have lost all credibility. Carney played it the best way possible.A lot of hot air and nothing. Like 60% of the discussion wasn't even about Canada.
And he still told Carney in his face Canada should be the 51st State.
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He is going to stick to the norms of negotiations between nations. The shortest a trade has been negotiated is 18 months. So it's likely the USMCA framework is going to be the basis.
Carney is going to send in the real negotiators, go line by line, with regular pauses for approvals, and really just wait out Trump as the economy gets worse and worse. He will need declared wins and so a few concessions back and forth will occur, he will decare victory, and it will probably take a year.
Unless Trump has gone truly off the deep end. Then who the fuck knows.
Carney is going to send in the real negotiators, go line by line, with regular pauses for approvals, and really just wait out Trump as the economy gets worse and worse. He will need declared wins and so a few concessions back and forth will occur, he will decare victory, and it will probably take a year.
Unless Trump has gone truly off the deep end. Then who the fuck knows.
You pretty much have to the way Trump has that set up.
Carney did as well as he could given the circumstances.
The only reason I'll be nice right now is because I have no clue what Trump will do next.
But what I will say is when Trump said he'd rather Carney, I believed him.
This was marginally bad, but what dealing with Trump is actually good?
