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Large majority of Canadians believe Pierre Poilievre should get his security clearance

According to a new study by the Angus Reid Institute, 7 in 10 Canadians (69%) agree that all federal party leaders should get their security clearance, including Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre, who has failed to do so.

Liberal (89%), NDP (81%) and Bloc Québécois (75%) voters are those most likely to agree with the sentiment. A plurality of Conservatives (44%) say the same.

“Pierre Poilievre has resisted calls to receive the security clearance necessary to read classified materials related to foreign interference. The Conservative leader contends that this would prevent him from speaking freely about these issues, while Liberal leader and Prime Minister Mark Carney has called his decision irresponsible. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh previously stated that he believes Poilievre’s unwillingness to get his security clearance is ‘disqualifying’ for his pursuit of leading the nation as prime minister.”

This is the second study that finds Canadians largely in agreement that security clearance should be sought by all federal party leaders.



The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from March 28 to 31, 2025 among a representative randomized sample of 2,131 Canadian adults who are members of Angus Reid Forum.
I think many Canadians don't know the whole story and reason why Poilievre won't get the security clearance. Do you not agree with Tom Mulcair's take on the matter? If so, why do you think Mulcair is wrong?

 

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Well if PeePee won't step down, Canadians will vote him out.
This is hardly a step down moment. There's two sides to every story. Not that I expect anyone who hates Poilievre will read this.

The NP makes a good case for, nothing to see here. Note the timing of this "breaking" story.

"The Globe story was published nearly three years after Poilievre won the leadership, more than three months after the CBC story was published and two months after the January foreign interference report was made public."

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ca...y-smears-poilievre-with-carney-talking-points
 

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I think many Canadians don't know the whole story and reason why Poilievre won't get the security clearance. Do you not agree with Tom Mulcair's take on the matter? If so, why do you think Mulcair is wrong?

We've been over this ad nauseum on here...The leftists are a really daft lot.

If he gets elected Prime Minister watch how fast he gets this clearance.
 
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We've been over this ad nauseum on here...The leftists are really daft lot.

If he gets elected Prime Minister watch how fast he gets this clearance.
At least when he loses his seat he'll have the biggest pension.
Bummer he'll have to say bye to the free government mansion and servants.
 

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nope

depriving people of affordable reliable energy will kill millions and drive billions into abject poverty is a undeniable fact

where as this is pure hysterical false and intentionally misleading bullshit propaganda
what is the cost of extreme weather events? What is the cost of insurance against the ravages of extreme weather? What direction are those costs going? Up up and away! You are the foremost misleading bullshit propagandist.
 
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what is the cost of extreme weather events?
we have always had extreme weather events


What is the cost of insurance against the ravages of extreme weather? What direction are those costs going? Up up and away! You are the foremost misleading bullshit propagandist.
you are a misinformed fool

What the IPCC Actually Says About Extreme Weather

What the IPCC Actually Says About Extreme Weather
I promise, you'll be utterly shocked

Roger Pielke Jr.

Jul 19, 2023

back to extreme weather — let’s take a look what IPCC AR6 says about the time of emergence for various extreme events. Here are some direct quotes related to specific phenomena:

  • An increase in heat extremes has emerged or will emerge in the coming three decades in most land regions (high confidence)
  • There is low confidence in the emergence of heavy precipitation and pluvial and river flood frequency in observations, despite trends that have been found in a few regions
  • There is low confidence in the emergence of drought frequency in observations, for any type of drought, in all regions.
  • Observed mean surface wind speed trends are present in many areas, but the emergence of these trends from the interannual natural variability and their attribution to human-induced climate change remains of low confidence due to various factors such as changes in the type and exposure of recording instruments, and their relation to climate change is not established. . . The same limitation also holds for wind extremes (severe storms, tropical cyclones, sand and
    dust storms).

The IPCC has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:

  • River floods
  • Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
  • Landslides
  • Drought (all types)
  • Severe wind storms
  • Tropical cyclones
  • Sand and dust storms
  • Heavy snowfall and ice storms
  • Hail
  • Snow avalanche
  • Coastal flooding
  • Marine heat waves
Furthermore, the emergence of a climate change signal is not expected under the extreme RCP8.5 scenario by 2100 for any of these phenomena, except heavy precipitation and pluvial floods and that with only medium confidence. Since we know that RCP8.5 is extreme and implausible, that means that there would even less confidence in emergence under a more plausible upper bound, like RCP4.5

The IPCC concludes that, to date, the signal of climate change has emerged in extreme heat and cold spells. The IPCC states:

An increase in heat extremes has emerged or will emerge in the coming three decades in most land regions (high confidence) (Chapter 11; King et al., 2015; Seneviratne and Hauser, 2020), relative to the pre-industrial period, as found by testing significance of differences in distributions of yearly temperature maxima in simulated 20-year periods. In tropical regions, wherever observed changes can be established with statistical significance, and in most mid-latitude regions, there is high confidence that hot and cold extremes have emerged in the historical period, but only medium confidence elsewhere.
Clearly, with the exception perhaps of only extreme heat, the IPCC is badly out of step with today’s apocalyptic zeitgeist. Maybe that is why no one mentions what the IPCC actually says on extreme events. It may also help to explain why a recent paper that arrives at conclusions perfectly consistent with the IPCC is now being retracted with no claims of error or misconduct.

I’ve done research on climate change and extreme weather for almost 30 years (yowza!). I know the literature and have contributed quite a bit to it. My view is that the IPCC has accurately summarized that literature (if perhaps overlooking some key work, ahem).

I wonder if the IPCC is next in line to be attacked by champions of the apocalyptic zeitgeist. After all, how can science like this co-exist with an end-of-times panic? Something would seem to have to give, right
so shadup and apologize
 

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we have always had extreme weather events




you are a misinformed fool

What the IPCC Actually Says About Extreme Weather

What the IPCC Actually Says About Extreme Weather
I promise, you'll be utterly shocked

Roger Pielke Jr.

Jul 19, 2023





so shadup and apologize
What a stupid argument.
The IPCC predicts change and notes what they have high confidence about and low confidence. That's a strength of their predictions, not a weakness.
That is part of the scientific method you hate.
 

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What a stupid argument.
The IPCC predicts change and notes what they have high confidence about and low confidence. That's a strength of their predictions, not a weakness.
That is part of the scientific method you hate.
it is not a stupid argument.
The IPCC has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:

  • River floods
  • Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
  • Landslides
  • Drought (all types)
  • Severe wind storms
  • Tropical cyclones
  • Sand and dust storms
  • Heavy snowfall and ice storms
  • Hail
  • Snow avalanche
  • Coastal flooding
  • Marine heat waves
there is a difference between science and propaganda

you would not know the scientific method if it ran you over,
you are a high school drop out
 
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it is not a stupid argument.
The IPCC has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:

  • River floods
  • Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
  • Landslides
  • Drought (all types)
  • Severe wind storms
  • Tropical cyclones
  • Sand and dust storms
  • Heavy snowfall and ice storms
  • Hail
  • Snow avalanche
  • Coastal flooding
  • Marine heat waves
there is a difference between science and propaganda

you would not know the scientific method if it ran you over,
you are a high school drop out
You want the IPCC to be able to predict exactly how many more landslides there will be and if they can't then you think they are useless?
That's idiotic.

When you boil a pot of water you can accurately predict when it will boil, you will not be able to accurately predict where the first bubble will be.
What we care about is that adding CO2 and greenhouse gases is increasing the global temperature and the amount of chaos into the climate.

Remember the time you said that if climate change is happening it would be the greatest crime against humanity?
We are now committed to 3ºC warming with 4ºC likely by the end of the century, which will doom most of humanity.
Congrats on being complicit.


 

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You want the IPCC to be able to predict exactly how many more landslides there will be and if they can't then you think they are useless?
That's idiotic.
you can not seem to comprehend simple English
The IPCC has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:

  • River floods
  • Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
  • Landslides
  • Drought (all types)
  • Severe wind storms
  • Tropical cyclones
  • Sand and dust storms
  • Heavy snowfall and ice storms
  • Hail
  • Snow avalanche
  • Coastal flooding
  • Marine heat waves
that means extreme weather observations are due to nature
as they aways have been and always will be
 
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Frankfooter

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you can not seem to comprehend simple English
that means extreme weather observations are due to nature
as they aways have been and always will be
Are you claiming they made no projections with 'high confidence'?
Why won't you list them?
 

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Imagine sitting with Johnny at a bar, fawk, I'd keep a cap on my beer the entire time, fearing Johnny's spit balls flying everywhere as he's nonstop ranting away. 🤮
We could all use Johnny's pearls of wisdom.

Indian interference, does this mean that Andrew Scheer grovelling before Narendra Modi achieved something? Seriously this underscores how important Canada is becoming on the world stage. I have a hunch that Germany and France have also lobbied their 0.02 cent into the campaign.

 
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