Carney ready to fold?: PM Carney to discuss trade at White House next week

[JohnLarue]

]I'd say his 55+ approval rating says otherwise. There is resignation to a longer drawn out process and having to deal with Trump bring an ass.

only by those without any economic understanding or wrapped in govt funded cocoon

Trump would be an ass no matter who is in charge. Seriously you think he would play nice with PP? Either PP would fight and Trump would act the ass, or PP would capitulate and you would say he had no choice "for the good of the nation".

Poilievre would have called Trumps bluff

zero tariffs, real free trade
no tariffs on steel, aluminum, softwood lumber , dairy etc.
then we would see economic growth on both sides of the boarder

Trump is under pressure now. It's not going to get better for him.

you should be far more concerned about what is going to happen to Canada
the US economy is consumer driven (2/3)
the Canadian economy is far more dependant on trade
we can not afford to wait this out

 

[Butler1000]

You tell me, where do we put our elbows now.

Carney will give you crumbs and you'll tell everyone it was a grand feast. You have no expectations for the Liberal government.

That's why Justin could rip us off and fuck us over and get away with it. It's because you have no expectations for a Liberal.

Oh, I have expectations. I just understand process to meet them. You don't appear to.

The shortest trade agreement ever signed by the USA was about 18 months to negotiate. With some small nation. I get the fact these things are complex, and involve so much more than just a few products.

Right now the elbows and resting comfortably on the negotiating table. Where they should be, with cooler heads going line by line and getting it right. You do realize these things are not done by Trump and Carney right?

 

[Butler1000]

only by those without any economic understanding or wrapped in govt funded cocoon



Poilievre would have called Trumps bluff

zero tariffs, real free trade
no tariffs on steel, aluminum, softwood lumber , dairy etc.
then we would see economic growth on both sides of the boarder


you should be far more concerned about what is going to happen to Canada
the US economy is consumer driven (2/3)
the Canadian economy is far more dependant on trade
we can not afford to wait this out

How does he stop tariffs? Trump wants them. Seriously, he does, he wants the sales tax to offset his corporate tax cuts. That's what a tatiff is. The only weapon is to tariff USA goods coming up. You want to RAISE PRICES and increase Govt revenue? That's your conservative plan?

Or the other option when Trump REFUSES to drop tariffs, is to surcharge energy. Are you willing to add pricing on to Alberta oil?

You are assuming capitulation to Trump with make him reasonable. It will only make him worse.

 

[DesRicardo]

Oh, I have expectations. I just understand process to meet them. You don't appear to.

The shortest trade agreement ever signed by the USA was about 18 months to negotiate. With some small nation. I get the fact these things are complex, and involve so much more than just a few products.

Right now the elbows and resting comfortably on the negotiating table. Where they should be, with cooler heads going line by line and getting it right. You do realize these things are not done by Trump and Carney right?

2 years will go by and you will make the same excuse.

I know it's not done, because Canada would be finished. It's stupefying how Carney can mess up negotiations this bad and you still think he's great.

When China and Canada were the only two countries left without a informal understanding, THAT should have been the final clue.

Now he's going to probably take a worse daily than what He could have got May/June.

 

[Butler1000]

2 years will go by and you will make the same excuse.

I know it's not done, because Canada would be finished. It's stupefying how Carney can mess up negotiations this bad and you still think he's great.

When China and Canada were the only two countries left without a informal understanding, THAT should have been the final clue.

Now he's going to probably take a worse daily than what He could have got May/June.

You are assuming that these so called "understandings" have real meaning to Trump. Most of them are face savers, others are only as good as Trump's word, and still others are stop gap lies by both sides while the usual years long negotiations occur.

Worse, you are assuming normalcy from the Trump admin on international relations and keeping their word. They are the Ones that negotiated CUSMA and now calling it a terrible deal, and breaking it.

Finally the SCOTUS is ruling on the legality of tariffs later this month. Why sign a deal when that is still up in the air?

Sorry dude, Carney is playing this right, or as right as is possible in the face of dealing with an erratic, lying, narcissistic old man in health decline.

 

[Frankfooter]

Poilievre would have called Trumps bluff

how exactly would that have happened?
what would trump have done in response?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

You will always give a Liberal the benefit of the doubt. That's the real problem.

First it was he was just elected give him time, now it's just 6 month give it time. We'll roll into 2 years and you will say just give it time. It's a pipe dream.

Until the IMF has to help bail Canada out, you will not admit failure. And even after that you will still make excuses.

And I could claim that you would hate Carney no matter what he does because he’s not a conservative…and I might even be right…but so what?

I think it’s more interesting to engage with the actual argument…once you start resorting to ad hominem attacks against the person you’re debating it’s usually a pretty strong sign that you’ve lost the argument.

 

[HungSowel]

-Supreme Court ruling on tariffs in November
-Trump's poor health
-Epstein stuff could cause impeachment
-Midterms

I would just wait, do nothing to piss Trump off, use the time to increase trade relationships with other countries. It could turn out peachy keen, free trade is back and we have a bunch of new trade partners that would have never happened without Trump's liberation day shit.

 

[DesRicardo]

And I could claim that you would hate Carney no matter what he does because he’s not a conservative…and I might even be right…but so what?

I think it’s more interesting to engage with the actual argument…once you start resorting to ad hominem attacks against the person you’re debating it’s usually a pretty strong sign that you’ve lost the argument.

Well you are wrong. If Carney had a path or plan to balance the budget I'd be ok.

But lets say that's even too much, I measure Carney to the same bar he set for himself. Carney is flip-floppy, he's secretive, dismissive, lacks details and moves slow. I don't see anything he's doing that has me like "wow, ok I was wrong" and you all feel the same way too, you just won't admit it.

And you need to listen and understand. When people lie, move goal-posts and dismiss reality what's left to discuss? When I'm pointing to real situation and all you guys say is "give him time" etc, what do I say?

Hope is not a plan. Dreams are not a strategies.

 

[Frankfooter]

Well you are wrong. If Carney had a path or plan to balance the budget I'd be ok.

But lets say that's even too much, I measure Carney to the same bar he set for himself. Carney is flip-floppy, he's secretive, dismissive, lacks details and moves slow. I don't see anything he's doing that has me like "wow, ok I was wrong" and you all feel the same way too, you just won't admit it.

And you need to listen and understand. When people lie, move goal-posts and dismiss reality what's left to discuss? When I'm pointing to real situation and all you guys say is "give him time" etc, what do I say?

Hope is not a plan. Dreams are not a strategies.

Whatever, you'd be complaining no matter what he does.

 

[JohnLarue]

Well you are wrong. If Carney had a path or plan to balance the budget I'd be ok.

But lets say that's even too much, I measure Carney to the same bar he set for himself. Carney is flip-floppy, he's secretive, dismissive, lacks details and moves slow. I don't see anything he's doing that has me like "wow, ok I was wrong" and you all feel the same way too, you just won't admit it.

And you need to listen and understand. When people lie, move goal-posts and dismiss reality what's left to discuss? When I'm pointing to real situation and all you guys say is "give him time" etc, what do I say?

Hope is not a plan. Dreams are not a strategies.

Knuckleball neither understands nor cares about the economic risk to Canadians in this trade issue
he is govt funded i.e. a teacher (which is scary)

 

[Frankfooter]

Knuckleball neither understands nor cares about the economic risk to Canadians in this trade issue
he is govt funded i.e. a teacher (which is scary)

You mean government funded like PeePee?

 

[squeezer]

Well you are wrong. If Carney had a path or plan to balance the budget I'd be ok.

But lets say that's even too much, I measure Carney to the same bar he set for himself. Carney is flip-floppy, he's secretive, dismissive, lacks details and moves slow. I don't see anything he's doing that has me like "wow, ok I was wrong" and you all feel the same way too, you just won't admit it.

And you need to listen and understand. When people lie, move goal-posts and dismiss reality what's left to discuss? When I'm pointing to real situation and all you guys say is "give him time" etc, what do I say?

Hope is not a plan. Dreams are not a strategies.

Serious question Desi, are you hoping Carney fails and cheering for Trump to slap Carney around?

 

[JohnLarue]

Serious question Desi, are you hoping Carney fails and cheering for Trump to slap Carney around?

let us know when you find someone who can ask a serious question

 

[JohnLarue]

You mean government funded like PeePee?

i do not recall Pierre ever going on strike, with holding services from children to get more $
so no, not like Pierre Poilievre

 

[wigglee]

Captain Carney to the rescue!

 

[DesRicardo]

View attachment 493108 Captain Carney to the rescue!

Here he comes folks.

 

[squeezer]

let us know when you find someone who can ask a serious question

Is your name Desi, Johnny?

Let us know when you know your name please and thank you.

BTW, let me leave this here for you. You're welcome!

https://www.instagram.com/justinpjtrudeau/?hl=en

 

[Frankfooter]

i do not recall Pierre ever going on strike, with holding services from children to get more $
so no, not like Pierre Poilievre

At least teachers and postal workers actually do useful work for the good of the country.
PeePee has done nothing but whine for decades while spending the most on the hill.

 

[rhuarc29]

I will give credit where credit is due... Carney will have the ability to make a deal...what he's trying to avoid is not to piss off his woke base...if he makes a deal with Trump...they will cry he's selling out.. if he doesn't they will be happy but still gets tariffs...enough of the 51st state narrative...Trump knows how to yank Justin Trudeaus balls and he yanked it good...now he's out...

See, that's the biggest problem. Carney is playing that game. It's the only reason he waited so long to drop the USMCA tariffs. It's also why he shadow dropped widescale exemptions to tariffs without announcing it. He needed the APPEARANCE of standing up to Trump without the full economic damage of doing so, just to appease his base.

The problem is Trump operates on optics. So even though Canada's retaliation was de facto minimal, Trump took massive umbrage to it. If Carney had come into power and immediately sought to reverse the damage Trudeau did with Trump, a deal could have been accomplished by now. Instead, we've had tens of billions of economic fallout and tens of thousands of lost jobs. If Carney continues to play this game, he won't have the maneuverability to actually get a deal done.