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Carney "created an unbelievable mess" with Air Canada return to work order

bazokajoe

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Once again the right brays like a donkey, and Carneys deft moves behind the scenes work out perfectly. They just cannot deal with the fact he is so smart and not a loud braggart.
The Union sent an offer to AC last Tuesday and never heard back until the Union said "fuck you and your back to work order". Then AC came out from underneath the conference table to talk.
Keep dreaming Carney had anything to do with that.
 

richaceg

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The Union sent an offer to AC last Tuesday and never heard back until the Union said "fuck you and your back to work order". Then AC came out from underneath the conference table to talk.
Keep dreaming Carney had anything to do with that.
Don't know what can Carney do...but fuck AC...they were greedy to begin with...
 

nottyboi

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The Union sent an offer to AC last Tuesday and never heard back until the Union said "fuck you and your back to work order". Then AC came out from underneath the conference table to talk.
Keep dreaming Carney had anything to do with that.
How do you know the labour minster did not exert any pressure on AC?
 
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richaceg

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Arrest the leaders fine the union. Or more typically a fine that is daily based on how long the strike goes.
WTF dude...that only happens on communist countries...why would you arrest or fine if there's a legit reason for the strike? That's what arbitration is for.
 
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DesRicardo

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Arrest the leaders fine the union. Or more typically a fine that is daily based on how long the strike goes.
That would have been a tone deaf response to the situation that wouldn’t even solve anything.

They would rather settle as we now see.
 

nottyboi

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WTF dude...that only happens on communist countries...why would you arrest or fine if there's a legit reason for the strike? That's what arbitration is for.
They were ordered into arbitration they refused to resume work. That is illegal. So yes the govt has the right to arrest them. Even in biding arbitration the union can still challenge many things in court. Also the Union should have let the govt and the company know IN ADVANCE they might not obey a back to work order. They were stupid not to do that. When you negotiate you want to maximize the risks to your opponent of a failure to come to terms.
 

nottyboi

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That would have been a tone deaf response to the situation that wouldn’t even solve anything.

They would rather settle as we now see.
Its important to uphold the rule of law. When the govt orders an end to a work stoppage, it means they have decided the costs to the nation are too high and that an alternate means of settlement should be pursued. To that end

CUPE, which represents more than 10,000 Air Canada flight attendants, said the two sides struck a deal early Tuesday morning after nine hours of talks with the assistance of the chief mediator appointed by the federal government.


Calm even handed approach by the Libs to shorten this strike. If the Union had returned to work the outcome would be the same and hundreds of thousands of Canadians would not have been been massively inconvenienced.
 

Butler1000

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How do you know the labour minster did not exert any pressure on AC?
Because Carney would of had to approve the Labour minister decision to call them back. He took AL'S side. So once they realized, and saw public sentiment was clearly on the Attendants side, it was a quick capitulation.

I'd say Carney, in this case, if he did get involved, it was a second time to backtrack his first decision.
 

Butler1000

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Its important to uphold the rule of law. When the govt orders an end to a work stoppage, it means they have decided the costs to the nation are too high and that an alternate means of settlement should be pursued. To that end

CUPE, which represents more than 10,000 Air Canada flight attendants, said the two sides struck a deal early Tuesday morning after nine hours of talks with the assistance of the chief mediator appointed by the federal government.


Calm even handed approach by the Libs to shorten this strike. If the Union had returned to work the outcome would be the same and hundreds of thousands of Canadians would not have been been massively inconvenienced.
No, it wasn't the same. Because the airline realized they wouldn't have won the public relations battle..
 

DesRicardo

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Its important to uphold the rule of law. When the govt orders an end to a work stoppage, it means they have decided the costs to the nation are too high and that an alternate means of settlement should be pursued. To that end

CUPE, which represents more than 10,000 Air Canada flight attendants, said the two sides struck a deal early Tuesday morning after nine hours of talks with the assistance of the chief mediator appointed by the federal government.


Calm even handed approach by the Libs to shorten this strike. If the Union had returned to work the outcome would be the same and hundreds of thousands of Canadians would not have been been massively inconvenienced.
You are lying here. It's Air Canada that did not want to negotiate.

The reason a deal was struck is because Air Canada didn't want the bad press of Canadians being stranded all around the world.
 
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nottyboi

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You are lying here. It's Air Canada that did not want to negotiate.

The reason a deal was struck is because Air Canada didn't want the bad press of Canadians being stranded all around the world.
The back to work order requires BOTH PARTIES to participate. So once the order was made it REQUIRES the employer and union to both work with the mediator. So if AC refused to participate once the order was issued, they risk the mediator imposing a deal without their input .
 
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