careers without degrees

I'd say most people are in dead end jobs they don't enjoy, it's rare that you find something you're genuinely interested in that pays well.
If you're working and can pay the bills, consider yourself doing okay and find a hobby or interest to make life more fulfilling.
 
Being a male SP is not easy. It's a stressful job. It's not like an ordinary 9 to 5 job. When you are a male SP, you work 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. There are no vacation days. When a client call you, you have to be there, no matter when and where. As well, you have hit the gym everyday to maintain a good body to ensure strong stamina. It's not abnormal for a male SP to do a 10K run after a session.

As well, being a male SP is different from being a female SP. You need to be educated and have good business etiquette. When a client ask you to go to a business function, you need to know how to act and you will need to demonstrate economical and political knowledge so that you'll blend in. You will need to know your foods, your wines, and your martinis. You pretty much have to be James Bond.
 
All these replies and Grammage or gammage..whatever, has not responded.

Attention span of a flea.

Lot's of people in here employ people and would more than likely hire a keener.

Education isn't always indicative of a good emplyee, but the dedication to finish unfotunatelyu is.

Sounds like another how do I get rich quick without any effort.

I just don't get the yougins today. Where did we fail?

I don't have a degree but I've done very very well. But, thats because I really worked hard to get there. My son can't seem to finish his grade 12 in basket weaving without a struggle.

Have I failed him? Maybe, but I can only stand over his shoulder for so long. Now he's on his own, either finish or no money. Not an easy position to be in, but I'm not helping him by providing an income to party.

M2
 
MarkII said:
My son can't seem to finish his grade 12 in basket weaving without a struggle.

Have I failed him? Maybe, but I can only stand over his shoulder for so long. Now he's on his own, either finish or no money. Not an easy position to be in, but I'm not helping him by providing an income to party.

M2

My neighbour's kid is the same way.

Only he's not a kid anymore.

Didn't finish high school, didn't go to college (goes without saying), doesn't work, doesn't want to work, won't consider a trade (doesn't like that that getting up in the morning thing.) He gets a no mind job unloading trucks and lasts about a week. The old man gets him a job in the mail room, and he gets fired from that "because he didn't like it."

He just spends his day hanging around, or hanging out with his loser (but well off) friends, or smokes dope all day and listens to rap music.

Eventually his parents threw him out, but he got in trouble with the law and now he's back under their roof on probation. Not a particularly bad kid, just lazy as all hell.

I know I am sounding like an old coot, but it seems to me that you see more and more young males with little or no ambition in life. It is a fact that other than Engineering, females outnumber males in virtually every university program or area of study.

The young males who do go to school are often aimless. They try this for six months, or that for six months, then they travel for a year, then try something else.
 
james t kirk said:
My neighbour's kid is the same way.

Only he's not a kid anymore.

Didn't finish high school, didn't go to college (goes without saying), doesn't work, doesn't want to work, won't consider a trade (doesn't like that that getting up in the morning thing.) He gets a no mind job unloading trucks and lasts about a week. The old man gets him a job in the mail room, and he gets fired from that "because he didn't like it."

He just spends his day hanging around, or hanging out with his loser (but well off) friends, or smokes dope all day and listens to rap music.

Eventually his parents threw him out, but he got in trouble with the law and now he's back under their roof on probation. Not a particularly bad kid, just lazy as all hell.

I know I am sounding like an old coot, but it seems to me that you see more and more young males with little or no ambition in life. It is a fact that other than Engineering, females outnumber males in virtually every university program or area of study.

The young males who do go to school are often aimless. They try this for six months, or that for six months, then they travel for a year, then try something else.[/QUOTE

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Time for some vocational testing?

Golf Pro...Real Estate...Standup Comic...Actor...Sales...

Keep in mind that it may takes years of hard work and total commitment to "make it big".
 
Really, though you shouldn't ask what's the easiest way to make a living, but rather, what do I really enjoy doing.
 
Try working as a tax preparer, if that interests you. All you need to do is complete a training program, provided by quite a few companies. If you are good during the tax season, you may earn a year round position. I know someone who became a regional manager using that path. Of course, you need to go through training throughout your career, but it's easy enough to get your foot in the door.
 
Thousand said:
As well, you have hit the gym everyday to maintain a good body to ensure strong stamina. It's not abnormal for a male SP to do a 10K run after a session.

As well, being a male SP is different from being a female SP. You need to be educated and have good business etiquette. When a client ask you to go to a business function, you need to know how to act and you will need to demonstrate economical and political knowledge so that you'll blend in. You will need to know your foods, your wines, and your martinis. You pretty much have to be James Bond.

I'm surprised our vocal SPs are not jumping on this. Male SPs are educated while female SPs just spread their legs?

However, I do agree with male SPs being in shape, or have you ever heard of BBM (big beautiful males)?
 
In many cultures big men are deemed to be very sexy, especially in third world countries, where it's an indication of wealth. In Japan, portly sumo wrestlers are deemed sexy.
 
Interesting reading people talking about their own kids or their neighbours kids. It's tough I have to admit I don't have the key to motivating kids.

I think there are a number of problems......

1) kids can't see into the future.

2) kids don't have an appreciation for what their parent's had to do to provide for them

3) kids want everything to come easy, at the first sign of trouble some just pack it in

4) kids believe everything they hear unfortunately it's usually their friends and what they have to say

5) kids are dealing with a lot of misinformation, one of my students was stunned that to play college ball in Canada he'd actually have to have the right courses and marks.

From the parent's persepective it's gotta be hard. I talk to enough parents that say they've given up or have run out of ideas. Personally, I think a good ass kicking will teach some of these kids a lesson.

Personally there are too many kids walking around with ipods, psp's, cell phones, and game systems at home for my liking. How much time does the kids have if they are busy playing with all of these toys. And let's face it they are not cheap. So either the kid is leaching off the parents or working so many hours after school that homework has become secondary.

I think also parents at the end of the day want to believe their kids. Imagine their shock when they hear that the kid should have homework every day with the exception of test days. Here's the thing if I found out that my kid had been lying to me I'd kick their ass. But that never seems to be an issue.... not even a glimmer of anger.

But I have to agree with one of the previous poster that at some point the kid has to stand on their own and take responsibility. Thumbs up to him for not wanting to finance his son's party.

Now having said all of that there are also many kids that are highly motivated and hard working as well.
 
As for the original question of this thread I can't think of many good jobs that don't require an education. Those jobs do exist but they must be in high demand so getting a position might be tough.

My suggestion would be to look into a short program that leads to a trade. Why?

1) the number of years of school tend to be short
2) trades are in demand
3) trade pay reasonably well

Unfortuantely I can't be anymore specific than that as I'm not too well versed in which trades might require only 2 years of schooling. I think a refrigeration compressor mechanic is one but I can't be sure. Perhaps some of the guys who work trades can shed more light on this.

I'm under the impression that plumbers, mechanics, electricians, and people in construction can stand to make good money and require a reasonably short amount of training. But like I said before I don't know much about trades so I could be wrong.
 
Le

How about LE? To advance to senior position, a Univ deg would be asset.
Several forces are hiring, especially if you're minority. You would need to pass the test and training course.

Bylaw on the other hand are much easier. You can be our 'inside man'.;)
 
Very good suggestion. I'm not sure the original poster is even reading these suggestions, though. There has not been any response on his part since he posted this thread. :(
 
More often than not, the parents are just as much to blame for poor behaviour by their kids. It's parents job to raise their kids; not just babysit them for the first 18 years or so. And raising your kids doesn't mean allowing them to sit in front of a TV or computer all day, buying them whatever they want, and screaming that teachers are out to get little Johnny every time he doesn't do his homework.

Who has the most influence over the way a child develops in his/her formative years? Strike that. Who should have the most influence? The parents. And all too often it's the parents who make a fucking mess and then throw up their hands and say "I dunno what went wrong. I dunno what to do!" What went wrong is that you didn't raise your child properly (which no in our society will ever admit to or say to another parent) and now you're reaping what you sowed.

Plain and simple.
 
But too often blaming the parents is just a cop out. Plenty of us had no good parents who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and we made the best of it. At some point an individual has to take responsibility for himself and play with the hand life dealt him.

Take a look at just about any family with 3 or more kids with the same parents, same environment and same upbringing. It seems that (based on my anecdotal "evidence") one will succeed, one will be mediocre and one ends up being a shithead.
 
johnhenrygalt said:
But too often blaming the parents is just a cop out. Plenty of us had no good parents who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and we made the best of it. At some point an individual has to take responsibility for himself and play with the hand life dealt him.

Take a look at just about any family with 3 or more kids with the same parents, same environment and same upbringing. It seems that (based on my anecdotal "evidence") one will succeed, one will be mediocre and one ends up being a shithead.

True, genetics is a big part of behavior. I am one of three kids, and am the worst off because of my lax nature.
 
I am not so sure that kids today are any different from any other kids. I can certainly remember lots of lazy losers when I was in school, some smartened up later and some didn't.

As far as male SPs, it all depends on whether your market is men or women. If you think you can sell to women - you can't, if you could, you would not be on Terb. If you are selling to men, they do have a word for big guys, not BBM, they call them bears. There is more to being a bear than just being big, but being big is part of it.