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Frankfooter

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Please show where I said I supported this? I disputed your unsubstantiated claim the entire crowd was racists

plus not a coup when unarmed and without military support
You keep defending it, show me where you think everyone involved, including Trump and any GOP enablers, should be tried for sedition.
It was a coup attempt, the white supremacists and MAGATs were only 1 minute away from their goal of kidnapping Pence to stop the EC vote count.

The violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 came perilously close to Vice President Pence, who was not evacuated from the Senate chamber for about 14 minutes after the Capitol Police reported an initial attempted breach of the complex — enough time for the marauders to rush inside the building and approach his location, according to law enforcement officials and video footage from that day.

Secret Service officers eventually spirited Pence to a room off the Senate floor with his wife and daughter after rioters began to pour into the Capitol, many loudly denouncing the vice president as a traitor as they marched through the first floor below the Senate chamber.

About one minute after Pence was hustled out of the chamber, a group charged up the stairs to a second-floor landing in the Senate, chasing a Capitol Police officer who drew them away from the Senate.

Pence and his family had just ducked into a hideaway less than 100 feet from that landing, according to three people familiar with his whereabouts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. If the pro-Trump mob had arrived seconds earlier, they would have been in eyesight of the vice president as he was rushed across a reception hall into the office.
 

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You keep defending it, show me where you think everyone involved, including Trump and any GOP enablers, should be tried for sedition.
It was a coup attempt, the white supremacists and MAGATs were only 1 minute away from their goal of kidnapping Pence to stop the EC vote count.

The violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 came perilously close to Vice President Pence, who was not evacuated from the Senate chamber for about 14 minutes after the Capitol Police reported an initial attempted breach of the complex — enough time for the marauders to rush inside the building and approach his location, according to law enforcement officials and video footage from that day.
Secret Service officers eventually spirited Pence to a room off the Senate floor with his wife and daughter after rioters began to pour into the Capitol, many loudly denouncing the vice president as a traitor as they marched through the first floor below the Senate chamber.
About one minute after Pence was hustled out of the chamber, a group charged up the stairs to a second-floor landing in the Senate, chasing a Capitol Police officer who drew them away from the Senate.
Pence and his family had just ducked into a hideaway less than 100 feet from that landing, according to three people familiar with his whereabouts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. If the pro-Trump mob had arrived seconds earlier, they would have been in eyesight of the vice president as he was rushed across a reception hall into the office.
Again not defending it challenging your false claim the whole crowed were racists
 

Frankfooter

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Again not defending it challenging your false claim the whole crowed were racists
Again, I didn't say the entire crowd was racist, only that they had no issues marching towards a violent coup attempt with white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
Do you think you'd happily march towards taking over a government with neo-Nazis?
 

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Again, I didn't say the entire crowd was racist, only that they had no issues marching towards a violent coup attempt with white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
Do you think you'd happily march towards taking over a government with neo-Nazis?
Well a black lives matter activist was arrested for entering the capital as well so since black lives matter were marching with your white supremacists I guess black lives matter are now racist right ? same logic applies

he was right at the front too
Once again in a crowd of 10s of thousands you Cant call the whole or even most of the crowd racist
 
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Well a black lives matter activist was arrested for entering the capital as well so since black lives matter were marching with your white supremacists I guess black lives matter are now racist right ? same logic applies
Tell me you're not claiming the bullshit and nonsense of BLM activists were among the crowd that Trump and his clan sent to kidnap Pence and kill Pelosi?
 

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Tell me you're not claiming the bullshit and nonsense of BLM activists were among the crowd that Trump and his clan sent to kidnap Pence and kill Pelosi?
Not sure why they were there not speculating
 

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Well a black lives matter activist was arrested for entering the capital as well so since black lives matter were marching with your white supremacists I guess black lives matter are now racist right ? same logic applies

he was right at the front too
Once again in a crowd of 10s of thousands you Cant call the whole or even most of the crowd racist
Was he wearing a BLM shirt or holding a BLM flag?
 

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He's an attention seeker and loves to be among the anarchy. He deserves to be Federally charged and rot in jail like the rest of the right wing nutbags.
 

mandrill

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Not sure why they were there not speculating
The "BLM activist" seems to be a sensation seeker who had a scam fund raising website and was egging on rioters to get saleable footage of the storming on his video camera.
 

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Again, I didn't say the entire crowd was racist, only that they had no issues marching towards a violent coup attempt with white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
Do you think you'd happily march towards taking over a government with neo-Nazis?
Not one rock thrown.

Not one police officer killed.

Not one fire lit.

Not one store looted.

Not one street claimed as their own for a month.


Can you explain the VIOLENCE these Nazi's and white supremacists that had people of many backgrounds and color and genders involved?

Or was the violence you speak of from the ANTIFA that was trying to break a few windows and chase down a security guard?

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Not one rock thrown.

Not one police officer killed.

Not one fire lit.

Not one store looted.

Not one street claimed as their own for a month.


Can you explain the VIOLENCE these Nazi's and white supremacists that had people of many backgrounds and color and genders involved?

Or was the violence you speak of from the ANTIFA that was trying to break a few windows and chase down a security guard?

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No antifa, International Conspiracy Dude.

FBI report says that. GOP House leader McCarthy admitted it publicly. Didn't happen.
 

mandrill

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What does it matter?

He was wearing a BLM something which makes him a racist like the rest of the Trump crowd in your eyes.

We cant have exceptions now, can we?
Go check the link. No BLM regalia. However, he is pictured previously wearing full Right Wing militia uniform with an American flag patch and an assault rifle. 🇺🇲

So let's join the dots.

He had an anti police violence website which might have just been a fund raising scam.

He was photographed in militia uniform with an American flag patch. He was at a right wing riot, running with the righties and yelling encouragement. Basically behaving like all the righties.

When arrested, he said: "I had nothing to do with the riot. I was an innocent bystander." But I'm sure lots of guys who were photographed wearing militia uniforms with American flag patches are going to say pretty much identical stuff when they're arrested at the Capitol riot. That's because people lie to the judge to avoid going to jail.

Do you think maybe he was really a rightie who lies to get out of trouble with the judge? That bad thought is kinda skipping through my mind at this point in time.

Definitely not antifa. Probably not BLM.
 

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Go check the link. No BLM regalia. However, he is pictured previously wearing full Right Wing militia uniform with an American flag patch and an assault rifle. 🇺🇲

So let's join the dots.

He had an anti police violence website which might have just been a fund raising scam.

He was photographed in militia uniform with an American flag patch. He was at a right wing riot, running with the righties and yelling encouragement. Basically behaving like all the righties.

When arrested, he said: "I had nothing to do with the riot. I was an innocent bystander." But I'm sure lots of guys who were photographed wearing militia uniforms with American flag patches are going to say pretty much identical stuff when they're arrested at the Capitol riot. That's because people lie to the judge to avoid going to jail.

Do you think maybe he was really a rightie who lies to get out of trouble with the judge? That bad thought is kinda skipping through my mind at this point in time.

Definitely not antifa. Probably not BLM.
Cant believe people dont know cyber laws and how cyber activity is heavily monitored by govt agencies just for situations like these where an IP is all they need to track you down??

Even a child knows not to post dangerous things on the computer!
 

y2kmark

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It's amazing how quickly the Trumpists morphed from "this isn't us" to "It's YOU, pretending to be us!" Proud to be an American? Just sad....
 

Perry Mason

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The American Republic was designed to prevent progress without a broad consensus and political compromise.
Absolutely true.

And this is why the US need to ditch their EC, 2 party, FPTP archaic system and replace it with PR.
Agree with the first part...

But before you recommend PR, you should take a hard look at Israel...

PR is probably the one system that we know will make things worse... o_O

Perry
 

Valcazar

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The American Republic was designed to prevent progress without a broad consensus and political compromise. Note to the political "experts"- stop calling half of the electorate white supremacists, if you want to accomplish anything.
It's closer to about 27% of the electorate.

And yes, that design choice was premised on the lack of ideologically coherent parties and a different relationship of the states to Federal Government. It's a major cause of the dysfunction in the US since it doesn't just b

And this is why the US need to ditch their EC, 2 party, FPTP archaic system and replace it with PR. We won't see that in our lifetime though.
All they've been doing is block or reverse each other's agendas and policies.
What version of PR would you want to see in place? What version of PR do you want in a Presidential system? The easiest piece to knock out in that list is the FPTP, which helps prop up the 2 party situation. The Electoral College is the most nonsensical part but the hardest to change.
 
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