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i_am_good

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disenting opinion...

...hey cosine...

Take the CSC if what you need is a basic, fundamental introduction into the who/what/when/where/why of the stock market. Mags like the Economist are awesome but it will take time to get up to speed on the various stories - and will you understand the underlying fundamentals easily?

Also, consider that if you are dealing with retail sales, clients will have questions. The CSC books provide a good reference.

CFA is a MAJOR undertaking. You should not enrol unless you are already working in Finance/Accounting/Economics.

So, what are your goals?
 

HowardHughes

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As for being a "pro trader" - I think all you need these days is access to Level 2 quotes, and a small bankroll - then get to work!
 

vin_seek

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xarir said:
IMHO I think the CSC is a waste. If you're just interested for general self-knowledge, I wouldn't bother. The CSC doesn't actually teach you anything beyond what you'll pick up by just simply paying attention and reading Report on Business every day. The topics covered are general and don't particularly go into any sort of depth.

If you want to learn about things like covered calls, derivatives, bonds etc you can pick up a decent textbook or two at a university bookstore and just read it yoursef.

On the other hand, if you ever have an urge to get into the financial world, a lot of jobs will require the CSC as a minimum requirement. That doesn't mean the CSC is a good course or anything - it's just the industry's way of saying they expect a base knowledge of things financial.
xarir is bang on
 

vin_seek

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the CSC is taught by the same type of organization that paid Richard "useless" Grasso 140million for looking the other way while he masturbated behind his desk. basically the CSC is Bernie Ebbers teaching our future about the stockmarket.
 

vin_seek

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Cardinal Fang said:
And the insight continues....

:D
the Investment Dealers Association of Canada, whos members include Wood "Global Crossing" Gundy, Griffith "YBM" McBurney, Nesbitt "Bre-X" Burns, First "Moose Pasture" Marathon etc., direct the CSC program.
 

thecoolguyms72

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Well, firstly, the CSC has nothing to do with the NYSE or Richard Grasso, nor does it have anything to do with Bernie Ebbers or Worldcom, regardless of whether Uncle Bernie is Canadian or not. The CSC is a course offered by the Canadian Securities Institute, which is merely endorsed by the IDA and the Canadian stock exchanges, and thus is not directed by them, or any of those brokerage houses you mentioned. The IDA is the Self-Regulatory body that oversees primarily the compliance side of the securities business. If someone wanted to go on their website to see their structure and how they work, it is www.ida.ca. I think that vin_seek is either someone that was screwed around by a bad broker or got just as greedy in the tech boom as those that he mentioned in his rant, and is now looking to take it out on someone. I'm quite sure that any of us can pick any industry and there will be some bad apples out there that taint the whole bushel. Even the industry you are in vin_seek.

The SRO structure is not the best structure, I'm sure, but it is the structure we have now. Instead of ranting on an escort review board, how about doing something constructive and thinking of a better structure, or making the existing one better? I have made my share of suggestions from inside the industry, but perhaps it would make sense coming from the client's perspective. I would personally like to see more client advocate groups that could put forth suggestions to improve the industry, such as more client friendly statements, better disclosure, and ratings of brokers in the industry, so long as these advocacy groups aren't led by zealots that are simply looking to seek revenge on all brokers for the mistakes of a few.

I think if you go through most of the major brokers, and some of your minor ones too, and there are mistakes, honest and not so honest, in their background. I was affected directly by CIBC's O&Y relationship. Not many brokerages and investment banks were completely innocent in any of the Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia cases, just to name a few. But there are many individual brokers and advisors out there that are doing the best thing they can for their clients, including increasing their education to serve them better. I like to think I am one of those brokers.

Unfortunately this thread got off on a tangent because vin_seek has a grudge against an entire industry. I believe that the original thread was to address whether it was appropriate for Cosine to study the CSC to learn more about investing and finance. I think many gave very good, although varied advice to Cosine about his options without tearing down an entire industry. I offer him my knowledge in order to help send him in a good direction, if he wishes. As for those that simply want to push an agenda based on emotions rather than fact, that is entirely up to you, but please, let us know the industry in which you work, and we will gladly give you a taste of your own medicine.

Coolguy "proud advisor".
 

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thecoolguyms72 said:
Well, firstly, the CSC has nothing to do with the NYSE or Richard Grasso, nor does it have anything to do with Bernie Ebbers or Worldcom, regardless of whether Uncle Bernie is Canadian or not. The CSC is a course offered by the Canadian Securities Institute, which is merely endorsed by the IDA and the Canadian stock exchanges, and thus is not directed by them, or any of those brokerage houses you mentioned. The IDA is the Self-Regulatory body that oversees primarily the compliance side of the securities business. If someone wanted to go on their website to see their structure and how they work, it is www.ida.ca. I think that vin_seek is either someone that was screwed around by a bad broker or got just as greedy in the tech boom as those that he mentioned in his rant, and is now looking to take it out on someone. I'm quite sure that any of us can pick any industry and there will be some bad apples out there that taint the whole bushel. Even the industry you are in vin_seek.

The SRO structure is not the best structure, I'm sure, but it is the structure we have now. Instead of ranting on an escort review board, how about doing something constructive and thinking of a better structure, or making the existing one better? I have made my share of suggestions from inside the industry, but perhaps it would make sense coming from the client's perspective. I would personally like to see more client advocate groups that could put forth suggestions to improve the industry, such as more client friendly statements, better disclosure, and ratings of brokers in the industry, so long as these advocacy groups aren't led by zealots that are simply looking to seek revenge on all brokers for the mistakes of a few.

I think if you go through most of the major brokers, and some of your minor ones too, and there are mistakes, honest and not so honest, in their background. I was affected directly by CIBC's O&Y relationship. Not many brokerages and investment banks were completely innocent in any of the Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia cases, just to name a few. But there are many individual brokers and advisors out there that are doing the best thing they can for their clients, including increasing their education to serve them better. I like to think I am one of those brokers.

Unfortunately this thread got off on a tangent because vin_seek has a grudge against an entire industry. I believe that the original thread was to address whether it was appropriate for Cosine to study the CSC to learn more about investing and finance. I think many gave very good, although varied advice to Cosine about his options without tearing down an entire industry. I offer him my knowledge in order to help send him in a good direction, if he wishes. As for those that simply want to push an agenda based on emotions rather than fact, that is entirely up to you, but please, let us know the industry in which you work, and we will gladly give you a taste of your own medicine.

Coolguy "proud advisor".
......did you say something...:p
 

wrong hole

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thecoolguyms72 said:
wrong hole,

Not sure what you mean, please clarify.
...well your posting was long and it seems you put some effort into it....so I thought it would be somewhat amusing if I just quoted your post and ask if you said something....but alas the joke was lost....

oh well...back to selling 'Outreach' newspapers at the corner of Bay and King....
 

wrong hole

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....you're the bastard that stole my papers...

how can you steal a homeless person's only source of income....have you no soul...egad...
 

chucklehead

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One more point about the CFA. You also need to be in a job that qualifies as relevant work experience for a certain period of time before you can actually call yourself a CFA. I know a number of people who have successfully completed the course but do not have the appropriate work experience to complete the designation.
 

thecoolguyms72

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I would highly doubt that someone just trying to gain a little investment knowledge would be taking the massive leap to becoming a CFA. That's a bit of a stretch.
 

Dement Ed

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Very true chucklehead... while some employers require you to finish at least the 1st level to gain employment in the organization in the position of analyst, the actual designation requires both the successful completion of the course as well as served an 'apprenticeship' in the industry.
 

Thunderballs

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The CSC is pretty much a background of the industry but won't make you a good investor. The CFA is hardcore. You should be industry only for that. Ben Graham's "The Intelligent Investor" is the investment bible. Add to that "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" and anything in the contrarian vein written by David Dreman. Consider taking the CSI's derivatives course to overlay some derivative strategies or if you just want to impress your friends by knowing such things as what a bear put spread or butterfly is. Interesting how accounting was not mentioned. Not a bad idea to know how the numbers on the balance sheet were pulled together.
 
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