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Meister

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Why can't the retailers adjust prices? The CDN dollar has been high for 1/2 year now so the "lag" excuse doesn't fly anymore. A 22% difference. If anything CDN retailers should sell for less since they don't have the health care costs for their employees. Canadians always get hosed. Example:

Garmin Nuvi 370 Canada 451.97
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2896602&Sku=G145-0130

Garmin Nuvi 370 US 369.97
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2896602&CatId=3421
 

papasmerf

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it is called free enterprise............you charge what the market will pay.
 

tboy

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For the record Cdn retailers do pay through the nose for employment, taxes, transportation costs, warehouse costs etc. much more than their US counterparts which accounts for some of the price differences.

But depends on what you compare. For eg: DSLRs are cheaper here, LCD and Plasma Screens are about the same price (now), and computers are somewhat/arguably cheaper here. Now books and magazines, that's a whole 'nother story...we're getting hosed on them.....
 

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Has anyone noticed that on magazines, books and greeting cards they are starting to no longer print both the higher Canadian and lower American prices on them.

Those products destined for Canadian shelves now only show the higher Canadian price. The manufacturers of these products came up with this idea because they felt they no longer wished to "confuse" Canadian shoppers.

Wasn't that considerate of them?
 

Meister

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tboy said:
For the record Cdn retailers do pay through the nose for employment, taxes, transportation costs, warehouse costs etc. much more than their US counterparts which accounts for some of the price differences.

But depends on what you compare. For eg: DSLRs are cheaper here, LCD and Plasma Screens are about the same price (now), and computers are somewhat/arguably cheaper here. Now books and magazines, that's a whole 'nother story...we're getting hosed on them.....
I give you corporate taxes. But, everything else should be the same and take into account higher health care costs in the US it should be a wash.

Obviously, tigerdirect would not warehouse their stuff at Bayview and Eglinton, maybe in Grimsby or Peterborough. So wages and warehouse costs should not be a factor.
 

drrogers

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Just order from US mailorder

Meister said:
Why can't the retailers adjust prices? The CDN dollar has been high for 1/2 year now so the "lag" excuse doesn't fly anymore. A 22% difference. If anything CDN retailers should sell for less since they don't have the health care costs for their employees. Canadians always get hosed. Example:

Garmin Nuvi 370 Canada 451.97
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2896602&Sku=G145-0130

Garmin Nuvi 370 US 369.97
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2896602&CatId=3421
In many cases you can order direct from the US mail order houses - but remember to factor in the freight and the currently 2% difference in the dollars. Of course when you buy grey market make sure that warranties are good in Canada.
 

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Obviously I cannot speak for all resellers but in my case, it is mostly to do with the slow movement of lower cost products through the channels. There is no question prices are coming down and should continue to do so but it is a surprisingly long process.

Be sure to use price comparison tools like Shopbot.ca, PriceCanada.com etc. as some local retailers may get in on the lower costs from wholesalers and manufacturers before others.

Happy Hunting!
 

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dajodo2 said:
Has anyone noticed that on magazines, books and greeting cards they are starting to no longer print both the higher Canadian and lower American prices on them.

Those products destined for Canadian shelves now only show the higher Canadian price. The manufacturers of these products came up with this idea because they felt they no longer wished to "confuse" Canadian shoppers.

Wasn't that considerate of them?
Right :mad:
They don't want to give up their good profits in Canada.
 

TDL2003

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dajodo2 said:
Has anyone noticed that on magazines, books and greeting cards they are starting to no longer print both the higher Canadian and lower American prices on them.

Those products destined for Canadian shelves now only show the higher Canadian price. The manufacturers of these products came up with this idea because they felt they no longer wished to "confuse" Canadian shoppers.

Wasn't that considerate of them?
The magazine side had little to do with the publishers (manufacturers). http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/12/14/magazines-parity.html The price holding was done at the request of the wholesalers ( http://www.cmmi.com/ and http://www.thenewsgroup.com/ ) to keep the pricing as is.

Reducing the cover prices and corresponding margins would have placed the Canadian wholesalers in the same state of affairs as their US counterparts: barely profitable and close to bankruptcy, hence the overall trend of rising cover prices in the US. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the US cover prices adopting similar prices to what is seen in Canada over the course of the next couple years.

40% off the cover price may seem great but when the wholesaler ends up giving 20/25 of that to the retailer and has to go back and pick up the unsold product and dispose of it, little is left in terms of profit. Product ends up being handled half a dozen or more times throughout the whole cycle.

The wholesaler community in the US is going to be hard pressed to survive with the small amount of table scraps they end up with after picking, packing, delivering, merchandising (multiple times a week) etc...

In the last 15 years the wholesaler count has dropped from 90 to 4 major players. Only The Source seems to be turning any sort of profit and majority of that is from their Media division.

The higher overall price in Canada for a magazine better reflects the overall cost of getting the product out to the retailer - transportation costs, higher overall cost of staff - plenty are at provincial minimums or within 20% which is still much higher than the minimums in most states.

Lower magazine prices in Canada would mean less overall selection (wholesalers would chainsaw the 3000 or so titles they handle now down to the top 250 to 500) and shutout all but the major retailers (Chapters, Loblaws etc...).

The wholesalers overall are the bottom feeders of the whole supply chain - expend lot's of resources and get very little return. Publishers on the other hand make the majority of their money upfront (advertisements - really a magazine is just a vehicle for ads). Whether the magazine sells or not doesn't really matter as much to the publisher. If it's on the newsstand chances are good that it is being browsed (ads being seen). Sales are still good but when the industry average is at best 35% sell through (lots of titles are sub 25%) that really tells you where the publisher's concerns are (the ad revenue) regardless of their public stance.

Whether or not the publisher would be willing to guarantee the margins wholesaler get now and lower cover prices is any body's guess - I really have no idea what the costs are on the publisher side (printing, delivering the wholesaler) but I suspect given the lack of concern for a decent sell through and their reluctance for raising cover prices during the last five years, that the 60% likely covers their costs. Keeping the costs as is and the margin as is would eat into their profit.
 

james t kirk

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Meister said:
I give you corporate taxes. .
Corporate taxes in Canada are lower than the USA.


The average corporate tax rate in Canada is now below the average U.S. tax rate, and will be more than 6 percentage points lower by 2008.

Source:

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2003/cantaxadv_e.html


http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2003/taxratered_e.html

Plus employers don't have huge health care premiums in Canada.

At best it's a wash.

The explanation is very simple:

We're getting ripped off by retailers.
 

LKD

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haha its awsome shopping in the states... some items like books have the listed US price so much lower than the canadian, and there's nothing the retailers can do about it.
 

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It's funny when I see ads for BMW, and they are advertising " because of the strength of the Canadian dollar we are able to offer you lower lease rates " how about lowering the price of the cars for the people who don't lease or finance their cars !!!
 

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the problem also lies with the average canadian consumer... they hear 'pricing due to the strong canadian dollar' and assume that it is fairly adjusted... they buy blindly.

it's completely f'cked up that retail sales are up in canada... but, it is good if you have been investing in canadian retail companies.. hehe.
 

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Canadians are getting the short end of the stick, theres less people than the USA, so theres less demand. There for instead of making 5% off each item, they shoot for 15%-something like that, IMO.


You could try Amazon and see how much you save after shipping and maybe duty fees.
 

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dajodo2 said:
Has anyone noticed that on magazines, books and greeting cards they are starting to no longer print both the higher Canadian and lower American prices on them.

Those products destined for Canadian shelves now only show the higher Canadian price. The manufacturers of these products came up with this idea because they felt they no longer wished to "confuse" Canadian shoppers.

Wasn't that considerate of them?
Some of us weren't confused...
 

tboy

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james t kirk said:
Corporate taxes in Canada are lower than the USA.


The average corporate tax rate in Canada is now below the average U.S. tax rate, and will be more than 6 percentage points lower by 2008.

Source:

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2003/cantaxadv_e.html


http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2003/taxratered_e.html

Plus employers don't have huge health care premiums in Canada.

At best it's a wash.

The explanation is very simple:

We're getting ripped off by retailers.
Well, if you know all that you should also know that for every dollar paid to a worker, about another 30 - 40 % gets tacked on for various social and taxation purposes. In addition, at least in the companies I worked for, most employers in Canada have dental, medical, drug and disability plans that are offerred to the employees as a benefit package. Some cover the whole cost, some only partial but in the last 3 companies I worked for, they paid half and for a single person like myself, that amounted to an additional $140.00 per month. Now multiply that by 120 (number of employees) and I dare you to say that isn't an exorbinant cost.....
 

james t kirk

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carguy34 said:
It's funny when I see ads for BMW, and they are advertising " because of the strength of the Canadian dollar we are able to offer you lower lease rates " how about lowering the price of the cars for the people who don't lease or finance their cars !!!
EXACTLY.

Nissan has this stupid commercial with some guy pretending to be American supposedly coming to Canada to buy a car because of cheap financing rates.

Bullshit.

Obviously the auto manufacturers are making a lot more profit in Canada than the US.

My fav is how the price of shipping is easily double for Canadians than Americans.
 

james t kirk

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tboy said:
Well, if you know all that you should also know that for every dollar paid to a worker, about another 30 - 40 % gets tacked on for various social and taxation purposes. In addition, at least in the companies I worked for, most employers in Canada have dental, medical, drug and disability plans that are offerred to the employees as a benefit package. Some cover the whole cost, some only partial but in the last 3 companies I worked for, they paid half and for a single person like myself, that amounted to an additional $140.00 per month. Now multiply that by 120 (number of employees) and I dare you to say that isn't an exorbinant cost.....
It's called payroll burden.

In my industry, we're told it's 30 percent.

It includes:

Stat days
Vacation Days
Sick benefits
Education
Training
Workman's comp
Etc

Americans have all this too and more due to their health care system.

It's a wash.
 
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