Canadian Dollar keeps going up

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danmand said:
As I said, ask an economist like Someone.

T-Bills are sold by the treasury on an auction,
so when there are fewer buyers, the yield (interest)
would tend to go up. The US government need to
refinance the existing T-Bills out there, when they
come due, and a lot of them are in Chinese and Japanese hands.
Since you mentioned me a few times, I guess I sort of have to respond. First, I will say that I’m not going to make any predictions on what will happen to the U.S. dollar in the immediate future as I’m honest enough to admit that I would only have a 50% chance of being right.

You are right when you describe the immediate effect on interest rates. However, I’m not sure your logic on the effect on the U.S. dollar immediately follows. Normally an increase in interest rates leads to an increase in the value of a currency. However, this is because when interest rates in country A increase and they stay the same everywhere else, people sell bonds in other countries and by bonds in country A. To do so, they have to sell other currencies and buy American dollars (to pay for American bonds). This forces up the value of the American dollar. The process continues, until the exchange rates and interest rates have adjusted so the expected return from buying an American bond is the same as the return from buying a foreign bond (ignoring considerations like risk premiums). I gather from your post that you already know this and are thinking in these terms.

However, I’m not sure that your scenario is the same. In your case, causation is reversed. Instead of foreigners buying U.S. bonds to get a higher return, you’re describing a foreign country selling U.S. bonds and thus leading to a higher American return. The act of selling U.S. bonds would involve China selling American dollars (assuming they don’t just want to hold American currency that pays no interest) and buying some other currency for investments elsewhere. That should lead to a decrease in the value of the American dollar.

To be honest with you, this is completely outside of my area of specialization. Thus, I could be missing something in your argument. However, I’m not convinced but I do admit that you do make a much better economic argument then is standard on terb.
 

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petitelover said:
....... Hate to say this but from a money standpoint - Canadians should be rejoicing. America is starting to have fire sale prices in real estate - take advantage before it is too late. I wish I bought your real estate, especially in Toronto, when the US dollar yielded me 1.55CDN. With appreciation and that discount, I'd have an unlimited budget for this hobby!
Yeah, he's right. I just wish I had some disposible income to invest down south.

For eg: If PL had purchased my place in '98 for $100K Cdn. he would have only paid (out of his pocket not including closing fees etc) he would have only paid $64,516.00. Now my place is appraised at $326,000.00 and that's not unique. I know many places have gone up in value similarly. Even at par today that would be a great investment.
 

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According to this article, the effect of the Chinese selling off US treasuries will be to cause interest rates to rise and the dollar to go down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml
Interesting article:
The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

I think the Americans are going to reap the pain after "using" China for years. You can't have a one way flow of goods and think that your assets (dollars) won't deterioate. And, now they don't have the economic power to tell China to stop keeping their currency low after years of letting them do it and benefitting from it. Pure greed is coming home to roost.
 

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Meister said:
Pure greed is coming home to roost.
That's correct. Add to that the major banks lost huge amounts of money, because they never had the money to begin with. Shades of the depression when the banks refused people to take out cash. But this time there is an FDIC insurance of $100,000.

Hmmm. Me thinks a Bernanke 2008 recession is coming. It will be specifically pegged to him, when it was Greenspan that mucked it up in 2001 by making it look like a deflated bubble when it wasn't even near that.

Well done Terrorepublicans!

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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Gyaos said:
No doubt, you are.
If I was, you would not know. After all, you the one who knows nothing about the money supply.
 

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New All-Time High

The loonie soared to its highest level on record Wednesday soaring above $1.06 (U.S.), the highest since Bank of Canada began tracking in 1950

According to the central bank, which only started in 1950 to collect official exchange rate data against the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar's previous high of $1.0614 was on Aug. 20, 1957. Unofficially, the Bank of Canada's A History of the Canadian Dollar by James Powell pegs the currency's record high at $2.78 on July 11, 1864, during the time of the U.S. Civil War.
 

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Loonie tops $1.07, hitting record

The loonie hit a record Friday, jumping two full cents after a stronger-than-expected jobs report dimmed the odds of an interest-rate cut.

The dollar, already the world's best-performing major currency in the past month and this year, rose as high as $1.0717 Friday from yesterday's close of $1.0512.
 

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itmeans said:
The loonie hit a record Friday, jumping two full cents after a stronger-than-expected jobs report dimmed the odds of an interest-rate cut.

The dollar, already the world's best-performing major currency in the past month and this year, rose as high as $1.0717 Friday from yesterday's close of $1.0512.
It is getting crazy.
 

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gabeti said:
It is getting crazy.

Too true, growth is a good thing but if it rises too rapidly the speculators will step in and fuck everything up.

I have to ask: if our dollar is worth so much how come I'm broke? lol
 

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What's the best way to purchase things from down south?
I'm debating between putting things on my Visa or getting a friend down south to purchase them for me and get a money order sent to her...?
Anyone know?

Found out (on phone with them) now, they will charge 2.5% on any purchase, on top of the exchange rate at the time.
Their rate at the time was 0.9130...this is NOT going to be good for my wallet. :(
 

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Interesting article:


I think the Americans are going to reap the pain after "using" China for years. You can't have a one way flow of goods and think that your assets (dollars) won't deterioate. And, now they don't have the economic power to tell China to stop keeping their currency low after years of letting them do it and benefitting from it. Pure greed is coming home to roost.


I'm not sure we have the same definition of using. Let me get this correct - buying Chinese goods so extensively that your own manufacturing base is eroded and giving the Chinese the ability to cause you significant economic turmoil because they own so much of your currency- this is using them ?
 

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I'm not sure we have the same definition of using. Let me get this correct - buying Chinese goods so extensively that your own manufacturing base is eroded and giving the Chinese the ability to cause you significant economic turmoil because they own so much of your currency- this is using them ?
Buying Chinese goods and having manufacturing move to the countries with a competitive advantage on cheap labour is not the problem.

Buying more Chinese goods than you can afford is the problem.
 

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Cobster said:
What's the best way to purchase things from down south?
I'm debating between putting things on my Visa or getting a friend down south to purchase them for me and get a money order sent to her...?
Anyone know?

Found out (on phone with them) now, they will charge 2.5% on any purchase, on top of the exchange rate at the time.
Their rate at the time was 0.9130...this is NOT going to be good for my wallet. :(
If you pay with paypal there isn't any charge back to you. Many online retailers accept this form of payment.

Instead of using your cc and money order, you might be able to email her money via interact. I know it works in Canada but I don't know about US banks offerring this service.
 

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Hmmm, will look into this, thanks T.
 

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Buying Chinese goods and having manufacturing move to the countries with a competitive advantage on cheap labour is not the problem.

Buying more Chinese goods than you can afford is the problem.
On the contrary, the enormous surplus in trade with the US is simply evidence that the chinese are suppressing the value of their currency against the dollar.

The chinese authorities do this by purchasing dollars from their exporters instead of allowing these private players to independently hold (or dispose of) their US dollar balances in exchange for assets denominated in other currencies. These dollars are then placed in the US capital markets, where they indirectly allow the american consumer to buy more foreign goods than he would absent those funds. So, if the chinese authorities didn't pursue their policy of buying US assets rather than allowing their citizens to freely determine what they would do with their foreign-currency holdings, then the US trade deficit with china would probably be alot less

This has less to do with American greed for products they shouldn't be buying, than it does with China's policies.

P.S. The europeans, in contrast, are opening telling the Chinese to curtail exports. As the US dollar has declined, China's dollar-linked yuan has rendered her exports more competitive there.... the europeans, however are opening threatening the chinese of a slowdown in trade.

P.S.S. Real estate in the US is best, but if that's not possible, then buy the large US blue chips SPDR exchange traded fund....large US companies are trading for 16 times next years earnings in a declining interest rate environment....they're a really good value.
 

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Wow!!!!

Almost $1.09 today!!!

At closing today 1.00 CAD = 1.08865 USD ... after closing , it hit $1.0917 in afterhours trading

1 USD = 0.918566 CAD


How low can the US dollar go????

I have heard that before long the Canadian dollar will be up, close to $1.30US

I think very tough times are coming for our economy, once the effects of the value of our dollar filter through the economy.

It is having a negative effect on manufacturing / export... as well as tourism (will be far less americans coming over the border to spend their pesos). It will drive up inflation, which will drive up interest rates to fight inflation which will then drive up the value of the dollar.... maybe we should just temporarily turn off those oil taps in Alberta

Oil will soon be a record price, more than $100 / barrel. Gold is as high as it was in 1980 and could very well hit $1000 / ounce.

I think the future outlook for the economy is bleak, at best

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n1106126A
 

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Papi Chulo said:
Almost $1.09 today!!!

At closing today 1.00 CAD = 1.08865 USD ... after closing , it hit $1.0917 in afterhours trading

1 USD = 0.918566 CAD


How low can the US dollar go????

I have heard that before long the Canadian dollar will be up, close to $1.30US

I think very tough times are coming for our economy, once the effects of the value of our dollar filter through the economy.

It is having a negative effect on manufacturing / export... as well as tourism (will be far less americans coming over the border to spend their pesos). It will drive up inflation, which will drive up interest rates to fight inflation which will then drive up the value of the dollar.... maybe we should just temporarily turn off those oil taps in Alberta

Oil will soon be a record price, more than $100 / barrel. Gold is as high as it was in 1980 and could very well hit $1000 / ounce.

I think the future outlook for the economy is bleak, at best

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n1106126A
Sounds like you need some lovin.....one ounce should do it:D
 

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Before the mutual back slapping gets even more out of hand.

Karen Cordes of Scotia Capital: "Whatever the reasons or sources of the strength, the dollar has a huge implication for Canada and we're going to start feeling it soon."

Paul Jenkins Senior Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada: "The combined effect of a weaker U.S. outlook and a higher assumed level for the Canadian dollar implies that net exports will exert a significant drag on the Canadian economy" or translated into plain English the risks of damage to the Canadian economy have significantly increased.

Buzz Hargrove (President of the Canadian Auto Workers Union) has again called upon the Bank of Canada to match the U.S. interest rate cuts so as to rein in the Canadian Dollar, which he said was affecting not only auto exports, but also the entire auto parts sector.

And to quote the Canadian Press "The sky-high loonie has already caused havoc with exporting sectors, particularly manufacturers and the forest industry that depend on selling products into the United States."
 
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