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Interesting Economist artical last week:

Martin's mandate
May 27th 2004
From The Economist print edition


If he is to get it, it should be based on a serious debate

WHEN Paul Martin succeeded Jean Chrétien last December as leader of Canada's Liberals, and thus as prime minister, he let it be known that he would seek an election within weeks. Although he had served as Mr Chrétien's finance minister for a decade, the two men were bitter rivals and Mr Martin yearned for a mandate of his own. Only three years of a possible five-year term for the Liberals had elapsed, but an election seemed to make sense—at least to Mr Martin. His party was well ahead in the opinion polls, and the opposition was divided. Until a slowdown last year—partly induced by an outbreak of the SARS respiratory disease—Canadians had basked for several years in steady growth and balanced budgets.
Last weekend, Mr Martin at last called the election—for June 28th, two months later than planned. Why the delay? Over the past few months, sudden squalls have darkened the horizon for the Liberals. The opinion polls suggest that the ruling party may end up swapping a comfortable majority for a precarious minority government. Far from the confident gambit imagined in December, the election now looks like a panicky recognition that further delay risks heavier defeat.
The Liberals have been in office since 1993. An end to their automatic hegemony is good for Canada. Two things have caused it. First, the country now has the makings of a national opposition, after the recent merger of the western-based Canadian Alliance with the Progressive Conservatives. The Liberals can no longer win by default. Second, they have been hurt by a corruption scandal involving a publicity campaign promoting federalism in Quebec which was used to funnel C$100m ($73m) to their cronies. It happened on Mr Chrétien's watch, and Mr Martin was quick to call for an independent inquiry. But the affair has led some Canadians to conclude that the Liberals have been in power too long. Mr Chrétien's decision to cling to office for 18 months after announcing his retirement smacked of putting personal ambitions above the country's needs. So, perhaps, does Mr Martin's thirst for his own mandate: he is prime minister, not president.
More competition among the parties means that the campaign ought to produce a debate over the policy choices Canada faces. It needs to maintain the trust of the United States by careful management of its disagreements with its powerful neighbour. The public health-care system, in many ways admirable, demands ever more cash. So does defence, neglected in recent years. The finances of many provinces are unravelling. But Canadian taxes are already higher than those in the United States—and Canadian incomes buy some 15% less than those of their southern neighbours.

How to keep health care healthy
Yet will voters actually hear serious discussion of these issues? The newly-merged Conservatives would like to see more private investment in the delivery of publicly-financed health care. So would the health minister, Pierre Pettigrew. But any sort of adult discussion of the reform of health care is considered politically explosive: for many Canadians, Medicare is a touchstone of national identity. So the Conservative leader, Stephen Harper, prefers to campaign against Liberal sleaze. This is in part, perhaps, because his own party is not yet an alloy: the old Red Tories of the Progressive Conservatives are unhappy with the small-government agenda and social conservatism of the former Alliance, from which Mr Harper comes.
For his part, Mr Martin, who as finance minister presented himself as a tax-cutting fiscal conservative, promises an extra C$3 billion a year for health and other social programmes—with no reforms attached. That may be because he knows he may have to form a coalition with the leftish New Democrats.
Canadians deserve better than this. Their country has done well under the Liberals, forging a distinctive amalgam of a North American economy with a European welfare state, while remaining as open to migrants as the United States. But this balancing act requires a constant weighing of priorities. A competitive election should mean a serious debate, not sloganising and evading the issues. It is not too late to have one.


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A nice succint evaluation of the Canadian political situation.

Can you cite a US based example of this even-handed approach?
Just asking, as I think your news media is, at best, a poor friend to democracy in your country.
 

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vote for conservatives and you reward chretien
Huh? How does this happen? A Tory majority government would actually complete the investigation into Adscam (unlike Martin who both closed the commission and then let his touted "whistle-blower" legislation die on the order paper to ensure that no new information comes to light).

Under the Tories, Chrétien would be compelled to testify before a Parliamentary commission and if the former PM had anything to do with this theft, he would be prosecuted. Chrétien's best hope for a peaceful retirement is a razor-thin Martin majority, so thin that Martin dare not piss of the old Chrétien people. A solid Martin majority and Chrétien will be raked over the coals. A Tory victory and Chrétien will have alot of questions to answer.
 

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onthebottom said:
A competitive election should mean a serious debate, not sloganising and evading the issues. It is not too late to have one.

While I agree with the sentiment this is going to be a difficult task given that voter anger about broken promises is at an all time high.
 

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Re: Quality Journalism

clipper said:
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A nice succint evaluation of the Canadian political situation.

Can you cite a US based example of this even-handed approach?
Just asking, as I think your news media is, at best, a poor friend to democracy in your country.
I've never found any pub anywhere as good as the Economist (British weekly). We have some good newspapers but most are overtly left leaning and loath to provide any depth of analysis. NPR is a decent (although hysterically left leaning) source of in-depth news. The US problem is that it's ADD culture has fostered an ADD news environment where the weather and sports consume more time on the hourly local broadcast than world events (which is one of the reasons I don't watch it).

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bbking said:
I could be wrong but I believe Parliament cannot compell any former PM to testify about anything - I think that was shown with Brian Mulroney and the Air bus scandel, besides if Harper is elected I doubt very much he is going to go ahead with that because he may set a precedent for himself.
Parliament is just another word for government. The government can't force you to do anything - only the law can do that. So to force Chretien to testify about $100 million of ads would require a judicial setting. The only way this is going to happen would be to turn the whole thing into a criminal investigation of some sort. That's not a likely scenario.
 

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Back to the election now. In my riding I've got a Liberal incumbant - Tony Ianno. He's been in Ottawa since 1993 I think. The Conservative is some new guy named David Watters. And on the NDP side I've got Olivia Chow.

For my riding I have to say that I think Mr. Ianno has done squat. He's been on the Hill for almost a decade now and I see barely any sign of federal investment in my riding. The only investment I've seen is the recent renovation / expansion of the ROM. And most of that is private money compliments of Michael Lee Chin.

The Conservative guy has ignored my email for 1.5 weeks now. And there's no way I'm voting NDP especially if it's Olivia Chow. Not voting / spoiling my ballot is not an option I will consider.

So do I vote for a guy who's pretty much done nothing for my riding, or do I try to help Mr. Harper become PM? Frankly I don't really see Mr. Harper as having what it takes to run the country and represent us on the international stage. On the other hand, while Mr. Martin is clearly capable of having a good presence internationally, his lack of clear direction for Canada is troubling. I mean, here's a guy who's been PM-in-waiting for quite some time now yet now that he has the chance, he can't seem to enunciate a clear platform for his party nor a, understandable strategy for Canada as a whole.

Sigh. It used to be more clear-cut than this.
 

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Sigh. It used to be more clear-cut than this.
Despite anything else anyone can say about him, at least the issues were pretty cut and dry when Chretien was around. Either you liked him and his plans or you didn't and that was enough to base your vote on.

For myself, my local Liberal is a good guy who has gone to bat for my riding many times in the past and will do so in the future. So while the rest of the Liberal mess bugs me, it doesn't alarm me as much as the way Harper doesn't seem able to reign in the seriously rogue elements in his own party (first the language issue, then the abortion one, and finally the guy who declares he wants capital punishment back). I just get the sick feeling in my gut that beneath the surface of the Conservatives is a wholly different agenda.....you know, just like the feeling I had with the provincial Liberals (and we see where that is getting us).

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vote for conservatives and you reward chretien
So the corollary is that you get even with Chretien if you vote liberal . lol.....c'mon . That is just so screwed up on so many different levels .
 

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bbking said:
xarir said:
..... Hey OTB, you guys still take refugees?


bbk
I think we take more people than any other country in the world, and that's not counting the illegal. Would that be economic, political or a convenience refugee?

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bbking said:
With Kerry about to become the POTUS - I would say political, running away from conservatives - a little convenience might be mixed into that lol


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The success of your conservatives is no more sure that the success of our liberals - and remember both houses are likely to stay safe no matter what happens on Penn. Ave.

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This lack of choice in the Federal election is a sham.

Jack Layton comes across as a smug, arrogant S.O.B. who'll spent and will put Canda into another recession.

Stephen Harper and his ultra right wing agenda scares me. Their vision of the country would be a step backwards.

Paul Martin have no clear vision for the country other than try to kiss up to Bush -- something Jean Chrétien won't do. If Martin have no clue about the mess with the sponsorship scandal as the Finance Minister, then his is incompetent. If he knows about the sponsorship scandal, then he is up to his neck as well. It does not look good for him either way.

Where's the Rhino party?
 

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Actually I am more scared of our Conservatives than I am of yours. lol



bbk
That's the fucking truth.

Here' the deal from my point of view.

You don't turf a government in power when there is a sound economy.

Martin is fiscally prudent and that's all I care about.

Listening to Harper yap about increasing military spending, and increasing health care spending, and decreasing taxes, I have to wonder what kind of narcotics he is on. The budget is just barely balanced now and he wants to cut taxes???

Something has to be cut. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The last thing I would want is to start deficit financing in order to gain a tax cut. (Hello George Bush) So what are you going to cut Stephen??? Have some balls and say it. Most likely he will cut transfer payments to the provinces and the result will be increased provincial taxes.

I figure there are 3 weeks left, and Harper should be able to sink his own boat in that time.
 

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bbking said:
Actually I am more scared of our Conservatives than I am of yours. lol



bbk
Do they have any chance at all? I seriously thought you guys had a healthy single party federal government up there.

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vote for conservatives and you reward chretien
Chretien totally sabotaged Martin... He's probably getting a lot of amusement with Martin squirming to find a key issue in this election and bumbling with the scandals wrought the Liberal PMO dictatorship.

I saw a poll yesterday that had the Tories now leading the Liberals in Ontario in popularity. How this translates to seats still leads to a minority government for whomever though.

The Conservatives are coalition of a wide range of interests. So I'd caution about painting them all as radicals. Heck, there's more pro-life Liberals (Catholics) in the house already.
 
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onthebottom said:
Do they have any chance at all? I seriously thought you guys had a healthy single party federal government up there.

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CanWest's seat projection (as of June 9th):

Tories: 115
Liberals: 112
Bloc: 55
NDP: 24

This leaves the separatists with the balance of power in a minority government. Let's all imagine what Canada will look like after Tory/Bloc rule? Stephen Harper has said he will work with the Bloc...

Hooo-fucking-ray.
 

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Ontarians may swallow their anger and vote Liberal because they are still scared of the Conservatives and do not wish to see the Bloc have any power.
It appears that if Quebecers vote for the BQ, then it doesn't really matter what Ontarians can do about it. If the electorate is pissed with the Liberals, then let them be pissed.
 
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