Canada's birth rate is going down. The solution = more immigrants

[DesRicardo]

One did not precede the other. They both grew hand in hand. Immigration drove a bigger market, brought talented people to the country and they provided a way for them to be successful which grew the economy even more.

Let me show you. What country did you come from?

 

[DesRicardo]

What does it matter where I came from?

I'm going to prove a point to you. Where were you born?

 

[DesRicardo]

Okay. India.

Perfect. If population makes bigger markets and a bigger economy why leave india? If big population numbers is the key why leave a big population country?

 

[jeff2]

I left India because India is a conservative country and I wasn't culturally fitting in despite being born and raised there. Not for money. I actually moved to the US first and then moved to Canada.

BTW India is a good example of how a big population makes for a big economy, and growth. You may point to the low GDP per capita, but you'd have to look at GDP per capita growth over the last 70 years.

India's GDP per capita in 1947 - 250 Rupees (Population of 300M).
India's GDP per capita in 2023 - 170,000 Rupees (Population of 1.4B).

Similarly look at every socio economic indicator in India and you'd see how it has grown (Its easy to miss because you'd see India's poverty etc, but you should have seen it in 1947 lol).

Canada is well ahead of India in most socio-economic parameters. So we definitely have the tools and the capability to grow like the US.

Canada caught up to the U.S. economically in the 1970s. Commodity prices were high and that helped Canada.
Since then we have fallen back. Both countries had a head start after world war 2 with Germany and Japan bombed out.

 

[DesRicardo]

I left India because India is a conservative country and I wasn't culturally fitting in despite being born and raised there. Not for money. I actually moved to the US first and then moved to Canada.

BTW India is a good example of how a big population makes for a big economy, and growth. You may point to the low GDP per capita, but you'd have to look at GDP per capita growth over the last 70 years.

India's GDP per capita in 1947 - 250 Rupees (Population of 300M).
India's GDP per capita in 2023 - 170,000 Rupees (Population of 1.4B).

Similarly look at every socio economic indicator in India and you'd see how it has grown (Its easy to miss because you'd see India's poverty etc, but you should have seen it in 1947 lol).

Canada is well ahead of India in most socio-economic parameters. So we definitely have the tools and the capability to grow like the US.

So you did come from a rich family. I called it last week. You tried to lie, but I know.

It's not that India is conservative, you thought you could take the shot in America. The earning potential in America dwarfs anything you could make in India.

And of course India's GDP will increase. Labour can be exploited there. I tried to explain that pages ago. If you can exploit labour then it makes sense to have a larger population.

 

[Frankfooter]

Immigration would be fine if they were restricted from residing in populated cities like Toronto or Vancouver. We don’t need immigrants when 80% of them end up in the GTA stealing jobs and properties from citizens. Wanna move here? Go live in Saskatchewan or something. Most of the gta is already becoming unrecognizable I don’t see any Canadians anymore

Are you implying that only white people are Canadians?

 

[DesRicardo]

No I do not come from a rich family. I come from a middle class or a lower middle class family. When I was born for example all we had in the house for transportation was my mom's bicycle lol. My dad bought his first car when he was 55. So no, not rich by any means. And you did not call anything last week, whatever are you even talking about lol.

But I did well in school, scored high in GMAT, got scholarships in school and then jobs and then saved up when I moved. This is how most immigrants are.

As far as earning potential goes, you should look at purchasing power parity. My salary in India when I was working was approx. Rs. 1,500,000 (15 years ago) or $30,000 USD (per the exchange rate at that time) which was equal to $65,000 USD approx in PPP, which at that time was greater than the US median income. In the US, my very first salary was 150,000 USD, and this was after my MBA. An equivalent PPP salary in India is Rs. 35,00,000, or $55000 USD which is more or less what a top MBA graduate would earn in India.

So yes in absolute terms you'd earn more, but if you consider cost of living, purchasing power etc, you'd more or less earn the same thing. I mean heck in Canada I think am poorer than I was in India. The reason you come to the US or Canada is what you get beyond money. Anyone who solely prioritizes money will be very dissappointed.

India's or the US GDP increase is also not because of labour being exploited. What does that even mean? How did you draw that conclusion and based on what data? Not saying labour is never exploited but exploitation of labour is not an economic growth driver. Innovation, human capital etc are.

I just don't believe it. It sounds like you come from a well-off family.

If you were making $150K in America, why would you come to Canada? Or if you can make more money in India, why wouldn't you go back?


And there has to be cheap labour in large population.

 

[DesRicardo]

I come from a well educated family. Not a particularly rich one. What does it "sounds like you rich" even mean lol.

Immigration decisions are not made solely on monetary considerations. I said this in my post. I am a Canadian citizen now. If I stayed in the US I'd still be a H1B worker albeit earning more. You don't understand how immigration works.

Yes there is cheap labour. But they are not drivers of growth. They aid in profits sure. But Human capital development, innovation and services is what drives job creation and economic growth.

Your family is well-off. It's ok to admit it. You don't have to hide it.

Trust me I understand more than you think I do. There's an underlying reasons your not telling and that's why I'm picking away at you. You really want to be in America but they wont give citizenship, so you used Canada as a way to anchor yourself here. I know these thing.

There is a cost associated to Human capital development, innovation and services. The cost-saving of offshoring work creates better margins. They didn't ship all these jobs overseas because you're nice people. That's why I keep saying larger immigration numbers won't work in Canada, there's no cost advantage.

 

[Not getting younger]

Its largest industries are real estate, mining, and manufacturing, and it is home to some of the largest mining companies in the world. A large portion of its GDP comes from international trade, with its largest trading partners being the U.S., China, and the U.K.

The fastest-growing industries, such as travel agencies, semiconductor machinery manufacturing, and automobile wholesaling, provide excellent prospects for newcomers to make their mark. The healthcare, agriculture, and tech sectors also offer stable employment

Gross domestic product (GDP) at basic prices, by industry, monthly, growth rates

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) at basic prices, by various North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) aggregates, by Industry, volume measures, (dollars x 1,000,000), monthly, 5 most recent time periods.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Not getting younger]

Forgot the service sector which while the largest includes your Tims server, waitresses financial advice, and much more.

The service sector, which makes up the majority of jobs in Canada's economy, accounts for about 77% of all jobs. A significant portion of the Canadian economy's GDP comes from the service sector.


Service industries are vital to the Canadian economy.
The Service industries sector is made up of companies that primarily earn revenue through providing intangible products and services. The Service industry companies are involved in retail, transport, distribution, food services, professional services as well as other service-dominated businesses.

 

[DesRicardo]

I literally told you about my family and you claim to know more about it. It is irrelevant any way. And I literally told you that I went to the US first, and would have had to be on H1B and Canada offered more stability among other things, so I moved here. And you are running your mouth about "picking away at me". You are not picking away at me and you have no points to make. You are running your mouth. Stop flapping your gums about things you know nothing about and stop repeating what I already said in my post as if it was your insight.

You don't need to hide it. You are a racist. So just say you dont like non white people. Its okay. You don't need to hide behind "economics and immigration".

Yes there is cost involved with human capital development. So what? As I said our economy does not grow because we offshore manufacturing. We grow because of innovation and because we provide services. That is after all the largest component of the Canadian economy. So yes, larger immigration numbers will work. Hope the government gets its act together and facilitates an environment where growth is possible.

The details paint a different story. You are pro-immigration not because you think it works, but because it works in your favour. Your intent is all selfish.

You can't call me racist when you come from a country with a caste system and a history of hatred towards different religions and regional cultures.

What India is doing today has been done 10x over in other developed countries. It's industrialization, nothing new. Canada has past this growth phase. That's why it doesn't work the same.

 

[DesRicardo]

You have so far presented no points to prove that immigration does not work. You have meandered through various shallow, not well thought out points on how a) immigration is increasing housing prices - to which I countered that it was more a supply side issue than a demand side issue b) how there is no cost advantage to immigration, when the point of immigration is not labour cost, but human capital. I mean the Canadian govt. literally calls it 'Human capital factors". c) now it is, that immigration works in my favour. I am already a citizen. I am no longer an immigrant. Other people's immigration has nothing to do with me. Its not like for every new immigrant I get paid lol. Heck I dont even work in the area of immigration consulting.

And yes, I can call you racist, when you demonstrate racist behaviour. I come from a country with caste and caste issues but I don't practice caste in any way and it is irrelevant to your behaviour in this thread.

And I never said that what India is doing today hasn't been done before. I simply made the point that India is growing and that Canada is way ahead of India in most socio-economic parameters. AGAIN, it is something I told you, it isn't your insight. You followed that up with "that is why it doesn't work the same" - which doesn't even mean anything.

Stop gaslighting. Stop saying racist shit. Let it go. You are out of your depth on this topic.

The first sentence is a lie. I never said immigration does not work. The argument is we have more than we can manage. If you look at historical numbers and how things have escalated in the past five years, it's a more than fair judgment. Fact I'd even say.

 

[Darts]

a number of post ago, I said or suggested that that are industries/roles for which it might/would matter. I also said or implied. I would hire an Asian FA, over any other equally or similarly qualified FA for a position in Markham. Because at the end of the day, I am serving my clients needs, not mine. I refuse to get into some long debate it, if you can’t see the common sense in having people that speak the same language fluently, have the same cultural backgrounds, and some other things. Like building rapport and relateablilty. I imagine people of the same cultural backgrounds can relate better..

Would a pimply faced grad from mars know Canadian tax laws inside and out ( I imagine what ever school they went to taught their tax code)…same about family law, estate planning.

youwant to call me a racist? Fine. I call it seeing to my clients needs. If they live in Brampton, guess which candidates I’m putting at the top of my list?

that’s just “my” industry. I’m sure there are others

I thought about your post before adding my 2 cents. It does make sense to an intelligent rational person.

Ever noticed how bank branches in Chinatown have staff that look like their customers. Of course, the wokies will cry racism/racist.

 

[toguy5252]

I thought about your post before adding my 2 cents. It does make sense to an intelligent rational person.

Ever noticed how bank branches in Chinatown have staff that look like their customers. Of course, the wokies will cry racism/racist.

Why don't you produce some evidence of wokies or libtards crying racism for having members of an ethnic community working in a branch that serves that community.

 

[Darts]

Why don't you produce some evidence of wl8es crying racism for having members of an ethnic community working in a branch that serves that community.

He only sees race everywhere, sadly. But if you challenge him he will cry "wokies cry racism".

I was responding to NGY's post where he said:

"you want to call me a racist? Fine"
Why don't you guys read both posts instead of just cherry picking?

In that same thread one poster kept crying "racism" because some jobs require "Canadian experience".

 

[toguy5252]

I was responding to NGY's post where he said:

"you want to call me a racist? Fine"
Why don't you guys read both posts instead of just cherry picking?

In that same thread one poster kept crying "racism" because some jobs require "Canadian experience".

So that’s all you've got?