Canada will align policy on 'vaccine passports' with international allies: Trudeau

[mandrill]

Canada has no legal basis to issue vaccine passports
Restrictions in some provinces (eg Quebec) show that even IF you CONSENT to a vaccine passport you still can not use it

Privacy and COVID-19 Vaccine Passports - Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

www.priv.gc.ca

TeeJay, what do you think a vaccine passport is?

Canada authorizes documents for international travel, but a simple certificate that you have been vaccinated is not a document for international travel.

The provinces can authorize paper proof that you have been vaccinated and - HEY!!! - they do! I have one of those little fuckers sticking to my fridge. The provinces can also authorize a licence to enter certain establishments, based on whether one is vaccinated any time they want.

Let me give examples of what the province already does: - Can a 10 year old enter a bar?!..... Fuck no! That's because there's a provincial law saying that 10 year olds can't booze it up. The province can issue other restrictions any time it wants. Can a 5 year old drive a car?.. Fuck no! Can someone who hasn't passed his / her driver's test drive a car?!.... Fuck no!

Can a drug addict drive a car?!.... Fuck no! There's a provincial law. Can a blind dude drive a car?!.... Fuck no. Can a dude with really bad eyes drive a car?!.... Not unless they wear glasses. There's a provincial law. Can a depressed guy drive a car?!.... Fuck no. Not without a psychiatrist's note that they're recovered.

So how difficult is it going to be for Dougie to pass a law that you can't go to a rock concert with your date unless you flash a government certificate that you've been vaxxed?.... Pretty simple. He'll probably do it in fact at some point.

Against the Charter? Like how tf is it "life, liberty and security of the person" to go see Kanye West?!.... Answer: It's fucking not. There's NO fucking Charter issue there. The province just simply gets to do it.

 

[TeeJay]

TeeJay, what do you think a vaccine passport is?

Canada authorizes documents for international travel, but a simple certificate that you have been vaccinated is not a document for international travel.

Let me give examples of what the province already does: - Can a 10 year old enter a bar?!..... Fuck no! That's because there's a provincial law saying that 10 year olds can't booze it up. The province can issue other restrictions any time it wants. Can a 5 year old drive a car?.. Fuck no! Can someone who hasn't passed his / her driver's test drive a car?!.... Fuck no!

Can a drug addict drive a car?!.... Fuck no! There's a provincial law. Can a blind dude drive a car?!.... Fuck no. Can a dude with really bad eyes drive a car?!.... Not unless they wear glasses. There's a provincial law. Can a depressed guy drive a car?!.... Fuck no. Not without a psychiatrist's note that they're recovered.

Against the Charter? Like how tf is "life, liberty and security of the person" to go see the Eagles reunion tour or Kanye West or whatever you want to go see?!.... Answer: It's fucking not. There's NO fucking Charter issue there. The province just simply gets to do it.

International Docs depends on which country you head to

eg There are many where we need to apply for things such as Visas and there are others (most notably US) where our Driver License is all we require

You throw up tons of Strawman arguments for stuff that has nothing to do with domestic nor international
(and why all ugly red its eww on the eyes)

Shit like driving a car
Even stranger a Charter argument since Health falls under provincial

The provinces can authorize paper proof that you have been vaccinated and - HEY!!! - they do! I have one of those little fuckers sticking to my fridge. The provinces can also authorize a licence to enter certain establishments, based on whether one is vaccinated any time they want.

Nope this is exactly where it falls afoul of the law as linked above
And just for ref; what establishment have you ever visited that asked you for medical info?

It is 100% illegal in ON for a non medical person to request your Health Card or Vax status
Certainly they are not allowed to record it

So how difficult is it going to be for Dougie to pass a law that you can't go to a rock concert with your date unless you flash a government certificate that you've been vaxxed?.... Pretty simple. He'll probably do it in fact at some point.

Extremely difficult
But other provinces will be worse (eg Quebec)

The main issues are health info is private
Period
Some goof at a rock concert is not allowed to request it (unless said rock concert employs say a nurse, but then cost for the venue will go up)

As well in order to legally consent it has to be a valid CHOICE
You can not (legally) consent to something if I tell you "show me or else...."

 

[mandrill]

International Docs depends on which country you head to

eg There are many where we need to apply for things such as Visas and there are others (most notably US) where our Driver License is all we require

You throw up tons of Strawman arguments for stuff that has nothing to do with domestic nor international
(and why all ugly red its eww on the eyes)
Shit like driving a car
Even stranger a Charter argument since Health falls under provincial
Nope this is exactly where it falls afoul of the law as linked above
And just for ref; what establishment have you ever visited that asked you for medical info?

It is 100% illegal in ON for a non medical person to request your Health Card or Vax status
Certainly they are not allowed to record it
Extremely difficult
But other provinces will be worse (eg Quebec)
The main issues are health info is private
Period
Some goof at a rock concert is not allowed to request it (unless said rock concert employs say a nurse, but then cost for the venue will go up)
As well in order to legally consent it has to be a valid CHOICE
You can not (legally) consent to something if I tell you "show me or else...."

Teejay, any country can impose quarantine restrictions or ban visitors from a chosen country at any time. That's not even a Charter issue in Canada. Visitors have no Charter rights.

Canada can forbid Canadians to visit plague-infested areas at any time.

The provinces can simply draft legisation that says Buddy the Barman can make you show your vaxx certificate and kick you out of the bar if you don't have it. This is all pretty straightforward stuff to legislate.

 

[TeeJay]

Teejay, any country can impose quarantine restrictions or ban visitors from a chosen country at any time. That's not even a Charter issue in Canada. Visitors have no Charter rights.

Canada can forbid Canadians to visit plague-infested areas at any time.

The provinces can simply draft legisation that says Buddy the Barman can make you show your vaxx certificate and kick you out of the bar if you don't have it. This is all pretty straightforward stuff to legislate.

You keep crossing your streams

Internationally I am skeptical any democracy implements it

But Nationally (Canada) there is no way in hell a Bar will ever card you for Covid
It's illegal in ON and very illegal in certain other provinces (eg PQ)

I have already linked both PHO and PCC for you
Both have made statements that it would not be legal

 

[Jenesis]

It is 100% illegal in ON for a non medical person to request your Health Card or Vax status

That is 1000% wrong. It is not illegal to request your Health Card. Not at all.

You don’t have to give it, but it is not at all illegal. Sorry TJ but you are completely wrong here.

Your Privacy and Your Health Card - IPC

Being asked for identification is something just about everyone has experienced at one time or another, for example when making a large purchase or applying for a gym membership. Most of us in Ontario have also at one time or another been asked for our health card identification when visiting...

www.ipc.on.ca

 

[TeeJay]

That is 1000% wrong. It is not illegal to request your Health Card. Not at all.

You don’t have to give it, but it is not at all illegal. Sorry TJ but you are completely wrong here.

Your Privacy and Your Health Card - IPC

Being asked for identification is something just about everyone has experienced at one time or another, for example when making a large purchase or applying for a gym membership. Most of us in Ontario have also at one time or another been asked for our health card identification when visiting...

www.ipc.on.ca

Did you even read what you linked to? lol

 

[Jenesis]

Did you even read what you linked to? lol

Did you?

It came right from the IPC.

It is not illegal to ask for your HC. Plain and simple.

Individuals and institutions that do not provide health care themselves may ask you to provide your health card or health number ..........

There are rules for storing the info. but anyone can ask. You are wrong. It is ok TJ. It happens. To all of us. Get use to it happening more in life. It is ok to be wrong. Admitting it is where you show the type of man you are.

 

[squeezer]

That is 1000% wrong. It is not illegal to request your Health Card. Not at all.

You don’t have to give it, but it is not at all illegal. Sorry TJ but you are completely wrong here.

Your Privacy and Your Health Card - IPC

Being asked for identification is something just about everyone has experienced at one time or another, for example when making a large purchase or applying for a gym membership. Most of us in Ontario have also at one time or another been asked for our health card identification when visiting...

www.ipc.on.ca

You have to excuse TJ. I want to help the lad.

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[Valcazar]

CTRL + F
Legal

LOL.

You cannot possibly think that if a document has the word "legal" in it it means the document is saying something is illegal.

I'm giving you a chance to make your argument.

Point out, in the document, where it says there is no legal basis for a vaccine passport.
If it says that simply, you should be able to produce a statement directly that says it simply.

If it says it by implication, you should be able to produce that section and explain how its context means that.

That you know how the Ctrl+F function works on a website is not evidence that supports your position.

 

[y2kmark]

Most of the me, me, me crowd want things backwards. First get everyone a shot, then worry about travel. Some of the reasons people give for wanting to travel are pretty lame. Not Ted Cruze degree of lame, but lame nevertheless.

Anti vaxers and anti maskers are entitled to do as they please, where is the problem if they choose self ostracisation? I should be entitled to assurances that you don't get to come anywhere near me. A case of Covid will often change the tune of the "don't mess with MY freedom" crowd. Vaccine passports are a great idea for when the whole world has achieved 80% vaxed for example. But NOW? Are you f'**-in' crazy?...