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Canada updates travel advice to warn of U.S. border officers' power to search electronic devices

bazokajoe

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Enough said.
The fact that someone is at risk for following legal immigration procedures aka literally following the law, is exactly the problem.
You need to stop victim blaming.
There are no 2 sides to the story.
She was following the law and doing what she was supposed to do, to maintain her status as a legal immigrant and she was unlawfully detained for 2 weeks without due process.
I'll blame the victim everytime when they are warned not to do something and they do it anyways.
You are so blind.
I had enough of your nonsense.
 

Frankfooter

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Unlikely. I would take the advice of an immigration lawyer.
That's why I said I don't feel sorry for her.
Canada warned all Canadian travellers.
You think we should listen to their advice and not travel to the US?
 

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Its not about hiding something.
Its about regular people being harassed and subjected to intrusive searches especially if you are not caucasian because of the direction of the new administration.
The US CBP officers are not the smartest bunch either.
Well, we do have a bit of a history of exporting nutcases intent on mayhem down south, far more than them sending them the other way.

...including some white folks too (though no evidence yet they're operating in Canada):

Both these happened just a few months ago.

So yes, maybe we need to up our game here, doesn't matter who's running Washington.
 

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Just a side note to your story about the Canadian being detained.
If you were warned by a US immigration lawyer NOT to go to a immigration office at the US - Mexico border to renew a work visa would you still do it?
I don't feel sorry for her at all.


Here is the article on Yahoo.

On March 3, Mooney tried to get her work visa renewed, entering at an immigration office at the Mexico-San Diego border, against a U.S. lawyer's advice. Instead she ended up being denied, and then, all of a sudden, detained.

Always 2 sides to the story.

If your lawyer tells you not to do something and you decide to do it anyway - who's the real victim here? Obviously, the lawyer.

Any news if Mike Myers has been deported to Canada yet?

(Kidding, Myers, like Gretzky became an American citizen years ago.)
 

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Canada warned all Canadian travellers.
You think we should listen to their advice and not travel to the US?
Um yes? It’s not our country, and if they don’t want us there unfettered, we shouldn’t expect to go there unfettered.

Are you just going to push into someone’s house when you know they are wary of you being there? Then become indignant when you try anyway and receive pushback?

Oh right, I forgot you probably think the very concept of property is nonsense, nvm
 

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Um yes? It’s not our country, and if they don’t want us there unfettered, we shouldn’t expect to go there unfettered.

Are you just going to push into someone’s house when you know they are wary of you being there? Then become indignant when you try anyway and receive pushback?

Oh right, I forgot you probably think the very concept of property is nonsense, nvm
There is no country that you can visit 'unfettered', they all have visa or citizenship rules, nobody expects that.
But most countries do allow tourists and even people to work there on occasion, the US did have about $10 billion in tourism income before MAGA.
I was down there briefly last month working and am supposed to go again in July, but even the people I was working with there were talking about deleting social media before they travel in the states, and they are white and american.

You can vote for the leopards eat my face party if you want. Just not sure why anyone with half a brain would, let alone someone who seems intelligent as you do.
 

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There is no country that you can visit 'unfettered', they all have visa or citizenship rules, nobody expects that.
Yeah, it really isn't about regular travel requirements such as visas which nobody objects to.
The concern is regarding harassement, detention by ICE etc.,
This woman was detained by ICE for 2 weeks for doing what she was supposed to do legally.
Another French citizen was refused entry because he had expressed negative views of Trump on social media.
Foreign citizens can express negative views of the ruling government and it has never been grounds for denial unless it is terroristic in nature, which wasn't the case here.
While the US can refuse entry to anybody for any reason, it is not acceptable for that reason alone.
It's just the US backsliding into fascism.
 

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Yeah, it really isn't about regular travel requirements such as visas which nobody objects to.
The concern is regarding harassement, detention by ICE etc.,
This woman was detained by ICE for 2 weeks for doing what she was supposed to do legally.
Another French citizen was refused entry because he had expressed negative views of Trump on social media.
Foreign citizens can express negative views of the ruling government and it has never been grounds for denial unless it is terroristic in nature, which wasn't the case here.
While the US can refuse entry to anybody for any reason, it is not acceptable for that reason alone.
It's just the US backsliding into fascism.
The US is now banning scientists who research climate change, anyone who posts about human rights in Palestine and anyone critical of the US.
What ICE is doing to international students will cost universities as much as trump coming down on universities that didn't use violence on Palestine protesters.

But perhaps Kelly is just more worried about travelling herself and being identified as a sex worker in the US. That would be way worse.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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But perhaps Kelly is just more worried about travelling herself and being identified as a sex worker in the US. That would be way worse.
Sex workers have always been harassed at the US border even before Trump.
A couple of providers, who were banned for 10 years, recounted their experiences to me and it was very disturbing.
They weren't even working, but were identified via facial screening software.
The US allowed 9/11 terrorists to slip through even through they had intel and the ones they detain/ban today are harmless sex workers. lmao.
 

bazokajoe

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If your lawyer tells you not to do something and you decide to do it anyway - who's the real victim here? Obviously, the lawyer.

Any news if Mike Myers has been deported to Canada yet?

(Kidding, Myers, like Gretzky became an American citizen years ago.)
How is the lawyer the victim?
 
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There is no country that you can visit 'unfettered', they all have visa or citizenship rules, nobody expects that.
But most countries do allow tourists and even people to work there on occasion, the US did have about $10 billion in tourism income before MAGA.
I was down there briefly last month working and am supposed to go again in July, but even the people I was working with there were talking about deleting social media before they travel in the states, and they are white and american.

You can vote for the leopards eat my face party if you want. Just not sure why anyone with half a brain would, let alone someone who seems intelligent as you do.
If you agree that nations have no moral obligations to allow people to enter freely, which you seem to based on this post, then you are committed to agreeing that they are allowed to decide restrictions on their own terms, tourism revenue be damned.

If you agree with that, again which you seem to, the onus is squarely upon your employer to find an alternative for you to resume/replace that work, in the face of rapidly changing political climate in the USA. Should your employer fail to do so, you should blame your employer, not Trump.
 

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If you agree that nations have no moral obligations to allow people to enter freely, which you seem to based on this post, then you are committed to agreeing that they are allowed to decide restrictions on their own terms, tourism revenue be damned.

If you agree with that, again which you seem to, the onus is squarely upon your employer to find an alternative for you to resume/replace that work, in the face of rapidly changing political climate in the USA. Should your employer fail to do so, you should blame your employer, not Trump.
Sure, they can decide to ban all tourists and foreigners if they want. Just as they can decide to arrest students, deport people of colour and aid genocide. Its not about what they can do, its about what they should do.

If you think this is the right path, do you think all countries should do this? Ban tourists and foreign workers? Do you think Canada should form its own ICE to track down people of colour with opinions the federal government disagrees with?

And no, contracts were signed pre trump. Both parties are trying to complete these contracts not replace this work just yet. It may happen yet, but most people are hoping that the US hasn't entered into that extreme a position. Both parties are blaming trump for changing rules that had been in place for a long time without warning or campaigning on those changes.
 
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bazokajoe

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so your giving me legal advice that I should not criticize Trump or else?
Criticize him all you want. Just don't go to the border and expect the guards not to follow the law.
It's their country, their laws. They can inspect your devices all they want.
Don't be a cry baby about it.
 
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