Canada elections results 2025

[squeezer]

Please share with us what Justin did to be a "dictator in spirit"

If you are going to trot out freezing bank accounts, please don't. He was begged by the Provinicial Goverment to step in and clear out the twats from Ottawa. So go ahead, besides COVID which was a unique first-time seen virus causing all countries to take special measures, please show us where Justin had dictatorial tendencies? Unless of course, you support illegal occupation of a city. We know the folks in Ottawa were miffed with Pee Pee and trounced his foul ass out.

I suspect you see Trumpy as a democratic loving leader, just a hunch.

Interesting that you wrote an effortpoast refuting things I have not said. FTR I was never supportive of the manner in which those convoy protests were carried out. I don’t like protests that disrupt law and order. It seems to me, especially these days, they’re morally bankrupt, and have become no better than a filthy music festival. They’re just having a great time being morally self righteous parrots. We live in the age of lightning fast information — we have far more power as citizens simply producing and disseminating compelling discourse, and we don’t need to rage out to be heard.

Please note I said "if you are going to trot out," I didn't say you did. This is the usual to go to argument for folks hating Justin when calling him a dictator wannabe. Perhaps you missed the IF in my post. So let's move on.

It is very hard for me to see protests in this style as morally defensible acts of freedom. If I hated BLM, I’m kind of committed to hating any kind of protest that is analogous, and I do, believe me. I also hated when those kids toppled the statue and rolled the head into the fucking lake because of historical crimes against our aboriginal people, and I was disgusted they wanted to rename Ryerson X university too. I hated that illegal immigrants had a flaccid protest here about their immigration status. They weren’t even disruptive. I could list more, but I think you know where I’m going with that.

We agree on this and I did believe based on your posts that you were supportive of the Antivaxxers twat convoy, so I will stand corrected on this.

I am a careful communicator — I said, verbatim, he was a dictator in spirit. This implies that he did not do anything sufficient for me call him an actual dictator in practice. I could cite instances but since I made a character assessment, it’s more efficient to simply point to a broad definition of sorts.

Justin Trudeau displayed the traits of a man who deeply desired the power to make unilateral decisions and had a punitive impulse towards people who opposed those desires. So does Trump. He consistently — some might say, officially and flagrantly — attempted to thought police others via regulations on our media consumption. He thought policed and affirmed thought policing under the guise of human rights discourse. (Much like a lot of you.)

You know who else are dictators in spirit? Toddlers. Trudeau and Trump behave like petulant children regularly. Trump is merely more honest about it.

Every leader, boss, or manager will have punitive impulses towards underlings he or she feels are working against them. This is human nature and part of being the man or woman in power. You lose me when trying to compare Justin to Trump. Trump is an irrational man who can be bought by compliments, rules by the seat of his pants with no actual plan in mind and believes he is the expert in every field and relies only on his gut to make decisions. Justin followed court rulings against him, but Trump does not. Justin didn't lie everytime he stepped up to a mic, Trump lies and lies and lies and lies, comparing the two and saying they are alike is nonsensical.

“Disinformation”, pffft. More like no information.

You guys love your dEmOcRacY right? What sort of democracy is possible when people are blocked from getting the broadest range of information to make the weighty decisions that are required of an electorate that can fully meet their civic duties? Should such an impoverished society be allowed to choose their rulers? If Trudeau presides as a leader of a democratic nation, and also engages in acts that are violent to the spirit — no, the necessary conditions — of democracy then surely he is leaning authoritarian, no? Surely, we can agree on this.

Disinformation is a dangerous thing and we are about to find out having JFK in charge of health in the US. The gullible fall for the nonsense and this is indisputable based on Trump, a conman, a man found guilty of sexual assault, a man telling folks to take their country back because he lost an election, winning the presidency.


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Some additional unsolicited info about me, since you didn’t care to ask:

As much as people here assume I love Trump, and call me a MAGAcunt, Nazi, KKK Kelly (lol) etc. I don’t agree with him on many things. I actually think he’s a crazy old coot, and an almost insufferable boor. That said, I’m fairly Trump neutral. I just don’t think he’s evil or necessarily bad for America, I think he fits the American spirit LOL. I’ve only ever said that people are too quick to call him evil and fundamentally ill intended. I am not some MAGAtard who sits around watching reels and shorts of repetitious edgelord right wing grifters, TYVM.

I didn’t bother correcting anyone because it is funny to be called that stuff, and the long game is that my political opponents make themselves look dumb repeatedly, thus losing power in their words and making me seem rational, idk.

I’ve said it upthread, and I repeat, I am decidedly not anti-authoritarian. I believe in benevolent dictatorship, at least in principle. I could provide a principled argument for this, but I’d be plagiarizing. Go read some Moldbug or something, idk. Or The Republic, even. Conversely you could maybe reconsider whether YOU have a principled argument for democracy. See where that seemingly unconscionable line of thought takes you.

It will get you farther away from regurgitating boomer news and closer to being an autonomously thinking being, that’s for sure. Something more fitting of citizen who lives in a democracy.

…you know how to avoid these pesky misunderstandings, and not waste your time refuting something that hasn’t ever been said? You should ask questions of the people you are speaking to.

Interpreting another’s arguments charitably is literally a core principle of being rational. You guys like to rationality right? Look into it. Stop caricaturizing your moral and intellectual opponents. It is intellectually impoverishing, lazy, and incurious.

I have never called you any of those names. Yes, in my mind, I've labeled you a rightie, but a very well-spoken and articulate young lady, even though we do not agree politically.

 

[Butler1000]

First, recessions and/or bad decisions aren't the basis for impeachment. This is particularly true for the party members belonging to the party of the President. House and Senate Democrats can decry any justification they want.

As important, U.S. recessions are not typically random events that come out of nowhere. The Fed by keeping rates high for over two years have been signaling they want and will tolerate a recession to curb inflation and the effects of excessive money printing. The U.S. banks always tell their customers that there will be a soft-landing. It doesn't make sense to scare them with recession talk before we are there.

If I had to guess, Trump's team decided to take some pain in Q1 because we were already slowing down. A lot of indicators were blinking recession in December and January. In reality, laying off govt. workers and cutting back spending (in this case cutting fiscal deficits) are recessionary.

PS- I know the temptation is to add to a list as many items as possible, but some of your items don't make sense. Prices for housing, oil and grains are coming down. This is part of the Fed equation. We always have a student loan default crisis because so many college students don't belong there or don't gain necessary skills when in college. Global wars are the new normal or in reality they always are the normal. Quiet periods are the aberration.

The housing crisis will happen because foreclosures are about to start. A lot of them. Couple that with a recession and the only real buyers will be investors and private equity. And they will once again overcharge on rent. A lot of small business are about to go under due to tariffs.

Basically the nation is about to end up with, imo, a further culling of the middle class, a lot more bankruotcies, and a longer recession than people realize. This isn't going to be a business as usual one.

 

[Butler1000]

Probably so...............but stating historical fact, the U.S. has shed significant blood to create and preserve the Union (and end slavery). I added the last point to irritate the progressives here.

My Canadian history is obviously not as deep but I believe Canada has a strong agreement that binds the provinces. It would also seem that in the past Quebec has threatened the agreement to gain advantages.

I doubt they could even get a Referendum on a ballot. There just isn't an appetite for it.

 

[Butler1000]

After all the tariff and trade wars have been settled, everything will go back to normal.
I dont think we're headed for a worldwide depression.

And the countries who turned against the US will eventually return.
The US needs the rest of the world, but the rest of the world also needs the US

I think your optimism is nice. I hope I'm wrong. But if both China and the US spiral down, they will take us with them.

 

[WyattEarp]

The housing crisis will happen because foreclosures are about to start. A lot of them. Couple that with a recession and the only real buyers will be investors and private equity. And they will once again overcharge on rent. A lot of small business are about to go under due to tariffs.

Basically the nation is about to end up with, imo, a further culling of the middle class, a lot more bankruotcies, and a longer recession than people realize. This isn't going to be a business as usual one.

No offense, this is not just a big narrative but also prognostication. It's also not that inciteful. Foreclosures will start with a recession? Uh, yeah.

Recessions come and go almost like clockwork. That's what I've always said here forever and a day. When the U.S. has a dynamic economy with strong underlying productivity growth, it has the foundation to resume growth relatively quickly. The U.S. also has access to self-sufficient, cheap energy. When the Fed is satisfied with price levels they will lower rates and re-stimulate the economy. Recessions bring the benefit of long overdue but painful adjustments.

People who predict U.S. recessions are clever. People who predict U.S. depressions are less so.

 

[WyattEarp]

I doubt they could even get a Referendum on a ballot. There just isn't an appetite for it.

With the Quebec experience in mind, wouldn't it be beneficial for Alberta to at least discuss a referendum?
Isn't this a way to ensure some concessions from Ottawa that benefit Alberta?

 

[squeezer]

No offense, this is not just a big narrative but also prognostication. It's also not that inciteful. Foreclosures will start with a recession? Uh, yeah.

Recessions come and go almost like clockwork. That's what I've always said here forever and a day. When the U.S. has a dynamic economy with strong underlying productivity growth, it has the foundation to resume growth relatively quickly. The U.S. also has access to self-sufficient, cheap energy. When the Fed is satisfied with price levels they will lower rates and re-stimulate the economy. Recessions bring the benefit of long overdue but painful adjustments.


People who predict U.S. recessions are clever. People who predict U.S. depressions are less so.

You sir amaze me. Now recessions are a good thing, now that your guy is in office. Hmmmmm, interesting. I wonder what you would be saying if the stock market were in the shambles it is today, businesses not knowing which way to turn, investment-wise wise and prices rising so fast that Trump has to scream at Bezos for showing the increase tariffs are causing if Kamala had won and this was all happening under her watch. Hmmmmmmm

You will take this as an insult, but the preztelling you do is quite a talent and a skill not too many have.

 

[Butler1000]

No offense, this is not just a big narrative but also prognostication. It's also not that inciteful. Foreclosures will start with a recession? Uh, yeah.

Recessions come and go almost like clockwork. That's what I've always said here forever and a day. When the U.S. has a dynamic economy with strong underlying productivity growth, it has the foundation to resume growth relatively quickly. The U.S. also has access to self-sufficient, cheap energy. When the Fed is satisfied with price levels they will lower rates and re-stimulate the economy. Recessions bring the benefit of long overdue but painful adjustments.


People who predict U.S. recessions are clever. People who predict U.S. depressions are less so.

We shall see. I think this time it's less likely to be able to paper over things.

Oh and a lot of that "cheap energy" is Canadian. Maybe we need to raise the prices up a bit......

 

[WyattEarp]

You sir amaze me. Now recessions are a good thing, now that your guy is in office. Hmmmmm, interesting. I wonder what you would be saying if the stock market were in the shambles it is today, businesses not knowing which way to turn, investment-wise wise and prices rising so fast that Trump has to scream at Bezos for showing the increase tariffs are causing if Kamala had won and this was all happening under her watch. Hmmmmmmm

You will take this as an insult, but the preztelling you do is quite a talent and a skill not too many have.

It's not a question of whether they are good or bad, it's that recessions are inevitable. The economic cycle has a natural pull that doesn't tightly follow political policies.

I do seem to remember awhile back I was discussing the ten year structural stagnation in Canada that now seems to be fairly obvious to everyone. Back then, you were responding something to the effect that Canada's fine.

I've been saying for several years here don't get too absorbed into the recessionary cycles. You on the other hand........Uh, structural stagnation we'z good.

 

[WyattEarp]

We shall see. I think this time it's less likely to be able to paper over things.

Oh and a lot of that "cheap energy" is Canadian. Maybe we need to raise the prices up a bit......

Canadian energy might flow through U.S. refineries. It's more important to look at U.S. production and consumption data.

Since oil is fungible, it's easy to focus too much on sourcing and destinations but lose the big picture.

 

[Butler1000]

Canadian energy might flow through U.S. refineries. It's more important to look at U.S. production and consumption data.

Since oil is fungible, it's easy to focus too much on sourcing and destinations but lose the big picture.

You forgot electricity. And it's place in manufacturing. The mere threat of a price increase worked wonders on some attitude issues.

 

[WyattEarp]

You forgot electricity. And it's place in manufacturing. The mere threat of a price increase worked wonders on some attitude issues.

In this context, we were talking about the dynamism of the U.S. economy.

You are reverting to a tariff discussion.

 

[Butler1000]

In this context, we were talking about the dynamism of the U.S. economy.

You are reverting to a tariff discussion.

Sure. I think that some of that dynamism has now left the building. And there is a whole basket of issues that are about to arise by the fall that will cause a 90's style recession at the least. I think too many sectors are about to take a simultaneous hit. And private equity is actually hoping it will happen so they can cash in.

It's your own finance guys that are going to let it happen.

 

[WyattEarp]

Sure. I think that some of that dynamism has now left the building. And there is a whole basket of issues that are about to arise by the fall that will cause a 90's style recession at the least. I think too many sectors are about to take a simultaneous hit. And private equity is actually hoping it will happen so they can cash in.

It's your own finance guys that are going to let it happen.

I'm not sure what you think a 90's recession is like, but we had one recession 1990/1991. For those of us with some perspective, it wasn't a big deal. I can't speak for Canada.

The whole money guys swoop in after a crash thing is some Marxist overselling. Economic cycles are inevitable. Even planned economies like the Soviet Union had economic cycles.

 

[Butler1000]

I'm not sure what you think a 90's recession is like, but we had one recession 1990/1991. For those of us with some perspective, it wasn't a big deal. I can't speak for Canada.

The whole money guys swoop in after a crash thing is some Marxist overselling. Economic cycles are inevitable. Even planned economies like the Soviet Union had economic cycles.

Lol. They swooped in 2008, 2020 and again coming up. When they aren't taking corporate welfare.

It's coming.

 

[wigglee]

Trump can only get impeached if there is a majority Democrats in the house, which currently there isn't

Unless enough Repuglicans grow a spine and a sense of morality overtakes their dark lost souls.

 

[squeezer]

It's not a question of whether they are good or bad, it's that recessions are inevitable. The economic cycle has a natural pull that doesn't tightly follow political policies.

I do seem to remember awhile back I was discussing the ten year structural stagnation in Canada that now seems to be fairly obvious to everyone. Back then, you were responding something to the effect that Canada's fine.

I've been saying for several years here don't get too absorbed into the recessionary cycles. You on the other hand........Uh, structural stagnation we'z good.

The fact remains, TRUMP is pushing the US and Canada into a recession with his ridiculous tariff polices, attacking his allies, and creating instability for businesses. This, as the experts stated back during the election, would not happen under a Harris administration. Why you cannot admit that this will be a Trump-caused recession is amazing.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not sure what you think a 90's recession is like, but we had one recession 1990/1991. For those of us with some perspective, it wasn't a big deal. I can't speak for Canada.

The whole money guys swoop in after a crash thing is some Marxist overselling. Economic cycles are inevitable. Even planned economies like the Soviet Union had economic cycles.

Is the new MAGA line that a recession isn't a big deal?
First it was cheap eggs and economic prosperity and now its, 'so its a little recession'.

 

[Pancakes1]

The fact remains, TRUMP is pushing the US and Canada into a recession with his ridiculous tariff polices, attacking his allies, and creating instability for businesses. This, as the experts stated back during the election, would not happen under a Harris administration. Why you cannot admit that this will be a Trump-caused recession is amazing.

Literally everything you have ever said is disproved by this simple image. Go back to the drawing board MAGA supporter.

 

[K Douglas]

They did look at the big picture - especially the voters in Carleton. Pee is just very, very hate-able.

He just got 8.1 million votes....that doesn't sound very hate able to me.