Canada and the UN Security Council

[dcbogey]

We withdrew from the final vote when it was apparent there was no chance of overcoming the powerhouse that is Portugal. And it appears, at least according to our Minister of Foreign Affairs and the PM's spokesman, that the Leader of the Opposition has more influence on the rest of the world than the actual ruling Government of Canada.

 

[Jiffy Pop]

I know that Ignatief did not want us on the council but I was wondering why. You would think it would be a good thing to be on it. Anyways considering what we have done to the military in the last 30-40 years we do not deserve it.

 

[Damondean]

Does anyone care whether we are on the Security Council or not? The minicipal elections matter a lot more to everyone.

 

[Rockslinger]

Does anyone care whether we are on the Security Council or not?

I don't care. If the 3rd world is not happy with our foreign aid, we should cut it down to zero. Maybe then, the 3rd world will be happy if we throw them a crumb now and then.

 

[ogibowt]

I don't care. If the 3rd world is not happy with our foreign aid, we should cut it down to zero. Maybe then, the 3rd world will be happy if we throw them a crumb now and then.

were you Marie Antoinette in an earlier life...

 

[dcbogey]

I know that Ignatief did not want us on the council but I was wondering why. You would think it would be a good thing to be on it.

And you know this how, exactly?

 

[flubadub]

Harper is sinking to new depths blaming Iggy.
It was Harper's foreign policy that the rest of the world doesn't agree with.
Scrapping the banking tax.
Getting in the way of climate change solutions.
And his middle east policy.

He certainly doesn't speak for the majority of Canadians on any of those issues, its good he's not their messing up our reputation any more.

 

[dirk076]

Who says he's not speaking for the majority? You may not agree, but a lot of us do. In a four party system Harper has obtained the majority of votes to form a government twice. All polls indicate that today that is still the case. Of course, Liberals conveniently forget that Chretien formed governments with practically the same percentage of popular vote.

 

[landscaper]

Harper is sinking to new depths blaming Iggy.
It was Harper's foreign policy that the rest of the world doesn't agree with.
Scrapping the banking tax.
Getting in the way of climate change solutions.
And his middle east policy.

He certainly doesn't speak for the majority of Canadians on any of those issues, its good he's not their messing up our reputation any more.

Check the other threads for a reply, the least you could do is not cut and paste your drivel , try to be a little original in your irrelevence

 

[onthebottom]

The good news is you probably saved yourself a bunch of money.....

OTB

 

[someone]

A nonpermanent position on the security council is irrelevant. Nothing can pass if any of the 5 permanent members are against it. On the other hand, if the 5 permanent members support something, it only needs 3 of the 10 nonpermanent members to pass (assuming no abstentions. If any nonpermanent members abstain, it needs even less to pass).

A long time ago as a student in a Game Theory course, we had to work out the Shapley value (a measure of bargaining power) of permanent and nonpermanent members of the security council. I forget the specific numbers we got, but the having a nonpermanent seat was pretty irrelevant. It is comparable to the number of positive contributions WoodPecker makes to this board (OK, maybe not that small of a number but still small).

 

[K Douglas]

A nonpermanent position on the security council is irrelevant. Nothing can pass if any of the 5 permanent members are against it. On the other hand, if the 5 permanent members support something, it only needs 3 of the 10 nonpermanent members to pass (assuming no abstentions. If any nonpermanent members abstain, it needs even less to pass).

A long time ago as a student in a Game Theory course, we had to work out the Shapley value (a measure of bargaining power) of permanent and nonpermanent members of the security council. I forget the specific numbers we got, but the having a nonpermanent seat was pretty irrelevant. It is comparable to the number of positive contributions WoodPecker makes to this board (OK, maybe not that small of a number but still small).

Can you get smaller than zero under the Shapley value. If so it would rival Peckrwood

 

[oldjones]

We withdrew from the final vote when it was apparent there was no chance of overcoming the powerhouse that is Portugal. And it appears, at least according to our Minister of Foreign Affairs and the PM's spokesman, that the Leader of the Opposition has more influence on the rest of the world than the actual ruling Government of Canada.

Yeah. Takes a fair bit of stupid to believe that. If we could just get hold of a CPoC membership list we could sell enough timeshares on the moon to retire.

He was speaking of the same Iggman he and his buds claim is not to believed ever, right? So what does the rest of the world know that the CPoC can't grasp?

 

[nottyboi]

I don't care. If the 3rd world is not happy with our foreign aid, we should cut it down to zero. Maybe then, the 3rd world will be happy if we throw them a crumb now and then.

You don't care that this vote represents a repudiation of Canada's foreign policy and our carte blanche approval of Israeli and American policies? Well, maybe when you are downtown and some terrorist blows something up you'll reconsider your apathy as bits of glass and metal enter your body.. but it will be too late then won't it? The fact is, the entire Arab world voted against us, even Brazil voted against us. I don't care about the seat, but I DO care that a) we are now ON THE RADAR and b) we are no longer viewed as a peace loving and fair nation. That just sucks.. but it is TRUE.

 

[Huron]

You don't care that this vote represents a repudiation of Canada's foreign policy and our carte blanche approval of Israeli and American policies? Well, maybe when you are downtown and some terrorist blows something up you'll reconsider your apathy as bits of glass and metal enter your body.. but it will be too late then won't it? The fact is, the entire Arab world voted against us, even Brazil voted against us. I don't care about the seat, but I DO care that a) we are now ON THE RADAR and b) we are no longer viewed as a peace loving and fair nation. That just sucks.. but it is TRUE.

Are you serousily suggesting that Canada's foreign policy should be only meant to appease the Arab world and make us an invisible country?

Pathetic.

 

[flubadub]

I've often thought that the full on Israeli supporters here endanger Canadians with their attitudes.
Supporting peace and both sides of the issue would go far in taking us out of any terrorists targets.

 

[basketcase]

Are you serousily suggesting that Canada's foreign policy should be only meant to appease the Arab world and make us an invisible country?

Pathetic.

Either that or he's saying that the only way Arabs are able to respond to disagreements is with terror.

I would think that as people they have the capabilities to make moral decisions but if notty says that they can only respond with violence, he must know best

 

[basketcase]

I've often thought that the full on Israeli supporters here endanger Canadians with their attitudes.
Supporting peace and both sides of the issue would go far in taking us out of any terrorists targets.

I guess terrorist don't endanger Canadians, only people who don't hate Israel enough.

 

[Aardvark154]

our carte blanche approval of Israeli and American policies? Well, maybe when you are downtown and some terrorist blows something up you'll reconsider your apathy as bits of glass and metal enter your body

So forget honour, and integrity. It is all about making sure that Canada is a complete milquetoast of a nation, so that no group of terrorists is ever offended.

I do believe I can hear a rumbling in the cemeteries of the Commonweath War Graves Commission.

 

[landscaper]

So forget honour, and integrity. It is all about making sure that Canada is a complete milquetoast of a nation, so that no group of terrorists is ever offended.

I do believe I can hear a rumbling in the cemeteries of the Commonweath War Graves Commission.

That noise you heard was the headstones being moved out of the way. They are gonignto have to sort eome of these idiots out the hard way.