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Can Employers Ban Workers From Using Cannabis In Their Private Lives After Legalizati

shack

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No they cannot. But they can insist that it is not in their system while on the job, e.g. cops, pilots etc.
 

TeeJay

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Of course they can. They also can test for other legal drugs. Its up to you if you want to work there or not (they can't force you to get tested)
 

Keebler Elf

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Of course they can. They also can test for other legal drugs. Its up to you if you want to work there or not (they can't force you to get tested)
That's wrong.

Unless it's a "safety sensitive position" (which is narrowly defined by the courts), generally speaking drug testing is not legal for employers in Canada. There's a whole field of case law on this stuff and it's constantly evolving. There's pre-employment screening, random drug testing, post-incident testing, etc. It's quite complicated to sort out.

But generally speaking, an employer is not legally entitled to ask you for a drug test. Now if they believe you're unfit for duty (inebriated for example), different story. But just showing up to work and being asked to take a piss test, nope, not legal.

If you're really interested, google the Imperial oil case.
 

oldjones

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Of course they can. They also can test for other legal drugs. Its up to you if you want to work there or not (they can't force you to get tested)
What you mean is: They can try, and you can fight it out, but they can't fire you for 'disobeying'. If they care that much they'll have to find some other excuse to let you go.

And you can fight that.
 

SirWanker

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But generally speaking, an employer is not legally entitled to ask you for a drug test. Now if they believe you're unfit for duty (inebriated for example), different story. But just showing up to work and being asked to take a piss test, nope, not legal.

Could inebriated be replaced with "under the influence of xxxx" ?
 

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It will be treated like alcohol, you can not be under the influence or inebriated. We are going through training right now on how to deal with it as well from a safety standpoint. Can have people high operation heavy machines.
 

oil&gas

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The drug is not in the system of an airline pilot while
flying. Does that mean he is free from the effect of long
term use of marijuana on his brain?
 

james t kirk

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Employers will demand that employees report "fit for duty" and they will define what fit for duty means. In a nutshell, policies will be tailored to read, "an employee who reports to work must be fit for duty. Fit for duty means 0 percent alcohol and 0 percent pot in your blood" (paraphrasing here).

You don't want a guy operating a crane who is hung over or still under the influence.

You don't want a truck driver, a cop, an airline pilot, etc. etc. The list is endless.
 

TeeJay

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That's wrong.

Unless it's a "safety sensitive position" (which is narrowly defined by the courts), generally speaking drug testing is not legal for employers in Canada.

But generally speaking, an employer is not legally entitled to ask you for a drug test. Now if they believe you're unfit for duty (inebriated for example), different story. But just showing up to work and being asked to take a piss test, nope, not legal.

If you're really interested, google the Imperial oil case
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You are wrong if you actually believe this

Nationally over 10% of Canadians are subjected to random drug tests by employers
This number jumps in "problem" provinces (eg BC is nearly DOUBLE the national average)

Any workplace safety can be tested (driving a truck, handling machinery, etc)

Here is ON human rights
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-drug-and-alcohol-testing-2016


Imperial Oil was not against RANDOM drug testing
The ISSUE with Imperial Oil was that it was DISCRIMINATORY against one specific individual (he admitted to having a problem in the past and then they specifically TARGETED HIM for extra "random" tests and made him change jobs)

Case is here:
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/ko/node/10056
 

hoorawr

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Just work in an office and you can easily smoke on the job

As long you’re showing up to meetings, dialing into the calls, and handing your reports in.. nobody will notice. If your eyes are red people just assumed you’re tired

If only they knew what I do every smoke break lol . Oh yeah you’ll need a vaporizer
 

anon1

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Wouldn't it be like booze? It's legal but you can't go to work hung over or try to work drunk and you can't drink while working.
 

oldjones

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The drug is not in the system of an airline pilot while
flying. Does that mean he is free from the effect of long
term use of marijuana on his brain?
And just how would anyone detect or measure that? How would it differ from f'rinstance brain effects of long term-exposure to Satanism, to extreme right or left wing politics or not having picked up a book or had a rational thought since the age of 16? And could you defend against dismissal because your brain was born that way? How would the base-line brain function be established, pre-longterm use?
 

Conil

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The drug can be found in your urine for 30 days. They need something that shows usage more precisely in safety positions.








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Zaibetter

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With it being legal soon its the same as booze. But weed can make some guys slow and dumb so I could see that slowing production makes bosses unhappy.
 
I work with a large mining company owned outside of Canada. We currently operate several different mines in several different provinces. Pre employment 5 panel drug screening is required, as well post incident 5 panel drug testing. If your a witness to an incident or accident you also may be subject to the testing. Recently we introduced training for supervisors and upper management to recognize impairment at work. A fairly strict and difficult process for having a suspected impaired employee, subjected to drug tested is developed, and used. All 5 panel drug testing requirements exclude alcohol testing, as its done separately. Currently the piss in a cup test is used, and a breathalyzer for alcohol.

ALL jobs on the mine site are listed as “Safety Sensitive”. Therefore all employees, contractors, visitors are subject. This is our 8th year using this drug testing and screening in Canada. Only recent changes were: pre employment no longer has to be a hair follicle drug test (goes back roughly 3 months on your drug use habits).... now it’s a piss test.

It’s becoming fairly common. There was a lot of confusion and whining happening when it was first introduced. Now, it just seems normal.
 

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Employers can do whatever they want.

It's like any job asking for a police background check, which I've had to do. Clean record and they paid me back the fee and got hired.

If I had a record, they probably wouldn't touch me even if I've been a great guy since any kind of conviction 20 years ago.
 

james t kirk

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I work with a large mining company owned outside of Canada. We currently operate several different mines in several different provinces. Pre employment 5 panel drug screening is required, as well post incident 5 panel drug testing. If your a witness to an incident or accident you also may be subject to the testing. Recently we introduced training for supervisors and upper management to recognize impairment at work. A fairly strict and difficult process for having a suspected impaired employee, subjected to drug tested is developed, and used. All 5 panel drug testing requirements exclude alcohol testing, as its done separately. Currently the piss in a cup test is used, and a breathalyzer for alcohol.

ALL jobs on the mine site are listed as “Safety Sensitive”. Therefore all employees, contractors, visitors are subject. This is our 8th year using this drug testing and screening in Canada. Only recent changes were: pre employment no longer has to be a hair follicle drug test (goes back roughly 3 months on your drug use habits).... now it’s a piss test.

It’s becoming fairly common. There was a lot of confusion and whining happening when it was first introduced. Now, it just seems normal.
Sounds like Rio Tinto.

No employer of any note wants stoners working for him. Whether it's legal or not.
 
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