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[bred2win]

Danmand ... it's liberal softies like yourself that allows this ridiculous situation to fester in Canada. Let's get real !! We have to put an end to these land claims once and for all, or Canada will continue to be blackmailed by these terrorists ... ( yes I said terrorists ).

Plus what the hell are American Indians doing coming to Canada to provoke violence and destroy Property ?

 

[new2game]

well..I'll respectfully disagree with Mr Webster..and you Kathleen.

It would appear Websters disagrees.

ter-ror-ism  / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

One doesn't need to die for the term to become valid, though an officer has already been run over, and a camera crew badly beaten. Its all up to how the one on the outside looks in I guess.

....I'll stand by my original statement. I think since 9/11, terrorism does mean death and destruction...and if someone can come up with another term for something that is more than harrassement, and less than terrorism as I've outlined it...let me know..

N2G

 

[LancsLad]

Before all the "superior white people" get going too fast in this thread, I hope they will reflect on fact that Canada routinely every year is condemned by international organizations for the way it treats its aboriginal people.

Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.

Shame on Canada.

Its always the white guys fault. That lame excuse is wearing a little thin nowadays. Wasting over TEN BILLION DOLLARS a year on them is terrible and I agree it must stop.

 

[Rufus Doofus]

Cowboys & Indians

Plus what the hell are American Indians doing coming to Canada to provoke violence and destroy Property ?

In this neck of the woods there are no Canadian or American First Nations people, they are one & the same. There are Indian reservations that span the border and have there own Customs officials, ie Cornwall, ON. A perfect system for smuggling everything from tobacco, drugs and illegal immigrants.

There are some real issues here and I believe that the liberal views on Indian claims would shift to the right significantly if it was your family farm that your family lived on for 150 years being offered to the Six Nations as some would have it here and others the likes of David Peterson. There have been radicals on the Native side that have stated the only way they will ever be satisfied is if the country is turned back to the Indians and we all start swimming for wherever we originally came from. There are moderates but they seem to support the radical element and applaude with one hand clapping.

Another little tidbit for you to digest. Yes we stole the land from the Indians, who stole it from the Tobacco & Neutral Indians seven hundred years ago. Unlike the Iroquois, we as colonial invaders never exterminated the native population or forced them to assimilate into our tribe. According to the Wampum Belt traditions, the Iroquois & the British were supposed to be like two ships on a parallel course with neither interfering with the other hence the arguement for autonomous and independant First Nations. Well folks, in Caledonia we just got rammed by the canoe and our ship has been set on fire. There are some of the local natives that are just not good neighbours and I do not have the answer or solution but I grew up next to the reserve and in our world you keep your ass on your side of the line fence and we will stay on ours.

 

[dj1470]

When I was a kid I used to go to Brantford and play lacrosse on the reservation. I always dreaded the trip. I always thought that the natives near Brantford were animals and probably the most classless people on the planet. Evidence you ask? Well, we used to get spit on and sweared at by the women and the men? Well, they threw darts at us. I remember my dad and several other fathers getting into fights in the stands defending their children. My mom refused to go. Oh by the way, we were 13 years old at the time.

 

[allaboutben]

Before all the "superior white people" get going too fast in this thread, I hope they will reflect on fact that Canada routinely every year is condemned by international organizations for the way it treats its aboriginal people.

Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.

Shame on Canada.

Its only racist if the aboriginals were not guilty and a large number of non-aboriginals are not imprisoned for commission of crimes.

Further analysis is needed.

Therefore, his juvenille conclusion is inherently racist.

 

[bkow1231]

Before all the "superior white people" get going too fast in this thread, I hope they will reflect on fact that Canada routinely every year is condemned by international organizations for the way it treats its aboriginal people.

Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.

Shame on Canada.

would this be amnesty international the same group the portect the lives of convicted murders

 

[bkow1231]

Before all the "superior white people" get going too fast in this thread, I hope they will reflect on fact that Canada routinely every year is condemned by international organizations for the way it treats its aboriginal people.

Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.

Shame on Canada.

they are 30 times more likely to commit a crime but 21 times more likely not to be prosecuted

 

[slowandeasy]

When I was a kid I used to go to Brantford and play lacrosse on the reservation. I always dreaded the trip. I always thought that the natives near Brantford were animals and probably the most classless people on the planet. Evidence you ask? Well, we used to get spit on and sweared at by the women and the men? Well, they threw darts at us. I remember my dad and several other fathers getting into fights in the stands defending their children. My mom refused to go. Oh by the way, we were 13 years old at the time.

Dude.. that happens in hockey arenas across white canada as well.... you might want to read up on some stories about parents abusing hockey coaches and officials, and often these abuses are not reported, because the parent is an "upstanding citizen" in the community or fear of hurting the child...

 

[slowandeasy]

would this be amnesty international the same group the portect the lives of convicted murders

You guys have never lived in areas where there is a large native population.. in some areas, the prejudice is terrible... perhaps you did not read about the officers in Sask. who would routinely drop natives off at the edge of town in
-30C weather for them to walk back to town. I think shit hit the fan when one of the natives died......

Danmand... the fact that natives represent an extremely large %age of the correctional institutes is indicative of other problems within the population of first nations people as well, not all of it being our fault...

 

[slowandeasy]

I don't think this thread is about the overall treatment of natives in Canada or anywhere else. This is a thread about thugs stealing money and threatening violence on the residence of Caledonia.

I personally faced this BS in Ipperwash on land that had been 3 generations in my family and was legally purchased from the reservation with the approval of the elders. These thugs threatened family members, tried to burn the buildings on the land down - all the while claiming some past misdeeds by the white government that had nothing to do with my family or the land. In fact we won a substantial lawsuit and payout from the Kettle Point Reservation and while it took years to collect, we eventually did in a deal that also sold our land at 2.5X market rate.

You want to play the race card - go ahead but it doesn't help this issue in Caledonia and racist claims is no justification for violence or theft.

What you seem to forget Dan is that the land in question was legally sold by the legal reservation government to the Canadian government and the Mohawks today claim that the hierarchical or tribal council who has no legal standing on the Reserve but a moral one didn't authorize that deal. The Mohawks provide no evidence that the tribal council in fact voiced an objection at the time, not that they had veto power anyways.

What really is happening here Dan is that the Warrior Society and the handful of families that control Putter Cigarettes are launching a continuing criminal enterprise at the expense of reservists and covered in a shroud of racism that suck in naive people like yourself.

Remember that shooting that killed that little girl on Boxing Day - well one of the guns linked to that shooting has been traced back to Caledonia via a gun bust earlier this year that linked an individual with ties to the Warrior Society and individual from the Rexdale Gang. Does past racism justify this - is this what you say is acceptable behavior due to past racism?



bbk

Wait...wait... so you guys sold the property back to the reserve for 2.5X the market value??? so you took advantage of the poor natives again?? (BTW...that was a joke)

Great post... but I believe tha danmand was simply making an observation in general. I tend to agree with him that our record with the first nations population is not good...

 

[slowandeasy]

Another little tidbit for you to digest. Yes we stole the land from the Indians, who stole it from the Tobacco & Neutral Indians seven hundred years ago. Unlike the Iroquois, we as colonial invaders never exterminated the native population or forced them to assimilate into our tribe. According to the Wampum Belt traditions, the Iroquois & the British were supposed to be like two ships on a parallel course with neither interfering with the other hence the arguement for autonomous and independant First Nations. Well folks, in Caledonia we just got rammed by the canoe and our ship has been set on fire. .

Interesting info regarding the Iroquois... care to provide us with any other info you might have on the wars between different bands before the Europeans came over??

 

[SilentLeviathan]

Another little tidbit for you to digest. Yes we stole the land from the Indians, who stole it from the Tobacco & Neutral Indians seven hundred years ago. Unlike the Iroquois, we as colonial invaders never exterminated the native population or forced them to assimilate into our tribe. According to the Wampum Belt traditions, the Iroquois & the British were supposed to be like two ships on a parallel course with neither interfering with the other hence the arguement for autonomous and independant First Nations. Well folks, in Caledonia we just got rammed by the canoe and our ship has been set on fire. There are some of the local natives that are just not good neighbours and I do not have the answer or solution but I grew up next to the reserve and in our world you keep your ass on your side of the line fence and we will stay on ours.

What are you talking about, the goverment policy towards natives was exterinimation and assimilation.

Why hasn't Harper stepped up to help resolve this crisis? Native Affairs are a federal portfolio.

 

[danmand]

I don't think this thread is about the overall treatment of natives in Canada or anywhere else. This is a thread about thugs stealing money and threatening violence on the residence of Caledonia.

I personally faced this BS in Ipperwash on land that had been 3 generations in my family and was legally purchased from the reservation with the approval of the elders. These thugs threatened family members, tried to burn the buildings on the land down - all the while claiming some past misdeeds by the white government that had nothing to do with my family or the land. In fact we won a substantial lawsuit and payout from the Kettle Point Reservation and while it took years to collect, we eventually did in a deal that also sold our land at 2.5X market rate.

You want to play the race card - go ahead but it doesn't help this issue in Caledonia and racist claims is no justification for violence or theft.

What you seem to forget Dan is that the land in question was legally sold by the legal reservation government to the Canadian government and the Mohawks today claim that the hierarchical or tribal council who has no legal standing on the Reserve but a moral one didn't authorize that deal. The Mohawks provide no evidence that the tribal council in fact voiced an objection at the time, not that they had veto power anyways.

What really is happening here Dan is that the Warrior Society and the handful of families that control Putter Cigarettes are launching a continuing criminal enterprise at the expense of reservists and covered in a shroud of racism that suck in naive people like yourself.

Remember that shooting that killed that little girl on Boxing Day - well one of the guns linked to that shooting has been traced back to Caledonia via a gun bust earlier this year that linked an individual with ties to the Warrior Society and individual from the Rexdale Gang. Does past racism justify this - is this what you say is acceptable behavior due to past racism?

BB, my post was not directed towards you or anybody else who has been in a difficult situation vis a vis landclaims. I respect your experience and your feelings about that.

My post was directed towards the wannabe white supremacists and nazi apologists that chime in whenever an issue of race or native people is raised.

 

[LancsLad]

BB, my post was not directed towards you or anybody else who has been in a difficult situation vis a vis landclaims. I respect your experience and your feelings about that.

My post was directed towards the wannabe white supremacists and nazi apologists that chime in whenever an issue of race or native people is raised.

So nice of you to decide who is excused from your sanctimonious wrath and which of us poor misguided souls feel the wrath of your contempt. We pay for'em we can comment on'em.

 

[slowandeasy]

So nice of you to decide who is excused from your sanctimonious wrath and which of us poor misguided souls feel the wrath of your contempt. We pay for'em we can comment on'em

Must have taken you a couple of hours to spell sanctimonious

 

[LancsLad]

Todays Sun Editorial is on the special treatment the abos get in Caledonia.

 

[bkow1231]

You guys have never lived in areas where there is a large native population.. in some areas, the prejudice is terrible... perhaps you did not read about the officers in Sask. who would routinely drop natives off at the edge of town in
-30C weather for them to walk back to town. I think shit hit the fan when one of the natives died......

Danmand... the fact that natives represent an extremely large %age of the correctional institutes is indicative of other problems within the population of first nations people as well, not all of it being our fault...

i live near caledonia i went to school with indains ,the women where in most cases scared of native girls,kenny hill the leader would slap the white kids around just for fun if you did not stand up for your self you would be constantly harrased.when you played hockey out there it was like no where else.the coach would pull the goalie when the get a penalty so they would have a nother man to beat on our kids 9 and 10 year olds.in most cases people get what the deserve in the native case they get more.

 

[woolf]

Maybe if justice had been applied much much earlier in this dispute this would not have happened at all.

Seems to me the COLOSSAL JOKE is that after over two centuries of denying the Six Nations any form of justice when it came to recognizing their rights to the land in question, that all of a sudden a little bit of "injustice" towards non-natives gets everybody up in arms.

Where were your cries for justice these last two centuries?

 

[bkow1231]

Maybe if justice had been applied much much earlier in this dispute this would not have happened at all.

Seems to me the COLOSSAL JOKE is that after over two centuries of denying the Six Nations any form of justice when it came to recognizing their rights to the land in question, that all of a sudden a little bit of "injustice" towards non-natives gets everybody up in arms.

Where were your cries for justice these last two centuries?

instead of your sympathy why dont you write them a check.