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lomotil

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It remains to be seen how LE will react in different municipalities or even in the same municipality as the new bill comes into effect. The Attorney General of Ontario will instruct LE to enforce the new law which hasn't been the case with the previous law since it was structure down by the SCC, save for prostitution involving persons under aged, human trafficking or controlled substances distribution. Expect York Region LE to come out swinging and Toronto LE in certain parts of Toronto where there is heavy community pressure will be hard pressed to ignore enforcement of the new law. Who will be the martyrs and sacrifices? At least terbites cannot say that they were unaware of the risks associated with the new frontier. The shit will hit the fan for some.
 

Alfonzo

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Here's a news flash for all the bed wetters among us: MPs are already illegal under the old laws, and have been since the mid-nineteenth century. So if the cops wanted you locked up, you already would be. So calm down. Nothing is changing next month. (If anything, without the bawdy house provisions it will be harder to press charges in an MP). But here's a tip for you all: cops will be after joints that employ underage girls or women who are not legally able to work in Canada. Or joints that deal drugs on the side. Just as they always have been. And just as they should be. So stick with the Toronto, Mississauga or Brampton licensed Body Rub Parlours, and trust their managements to keep everything above board. P.S.: Many of these establishments are among the nicest spas in the world. Take it from me. I've partied in a lot of places.
The principal change, is that the new law targets johns and clients. LE could raid a spa, say hello to the pretty naked ladies, and cuff all the men leading them to their new found misery. The MPAs will not be charged, but you will.
 

GPIDEAL

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It remains to be seen how LE will react in different municipalities or even in the same municipality as the new bill comes into effect. The Attorney General of Ontario will instruct LE to enforce the new law which hasn't been the case with the previous law since it was structure down by the SCC, save for prostitution involving persons under aged, human trafficking or controlled substances distribution. Expect York Region LE to come out swinging and Toronto LE in certain parts of Toronto where there is heavy community pressure will be hard pressed to ignore enforcement of the new law. Who will be the martyrs and sacrifices? At least terbites cannot say that they were unaware of the risks associated with the new frontier. The shit will hit the fan for some.
I think we need to be vigilant if any MPs or MPPs (especially Conservative) canvass their constituents about whether or not they should enforce the laws with respect to local establishments (be it strip clubs or MPs), etc.

Watch out for newsletters, etc. that are circulated through the mail, or emails from party HQs.

The better informed we are, the better our defense.
 

GPIDEAL

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The principal change, is that the new law targets johns and clients. LE could raid a spa, say hello to the pretty naked ladies, and cuff all the men leading them to their new found misery. The MPAs will not be charged, but you will.
I'm not sure about that unless they see your hard on or her jacking you off.

In any event, if that happened to me, I'm calling Alan Young and asking if he'll do a pro-bono case for anyone that's been arrested.
 

Alfonzo

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I'm not sure about that unless they see your hard on or her jacking you off.

In any event, if that happened to me, I'm calling Alan Young and asking if he'll do a pro-bono case for anyone that's been arrested.
Great. First jacked off by a mpa, then jackbooted by LE, then screwed by a lawyer, then kicked in the balls by my wife. Very bad day.
 

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The principal change, is that the new law targets johns and clients. LE could raid a spa, say hello to the pretty naked ladies, and cuff all the men leading them to their new found misery. The MPAs will not be charged, but you will.
Under the old laws client could be charged with being a found-in if caught in the act, so not much change there either.
 

DB123

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Under the old laws client could be charged with being a found-in if caught in the act, so not much change there either.
I just thought of something....SHHHHHHHHHH

Everyone be afraid, very very afraid. Retire, stay home, HIIIIDE.

If enough of you stick your heads in the sand, there will probably be some sweet promotions :D
 

Messiahson

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Under the old laws client could be charged with being a found-in if caught in the act, so not much change there either.
I recently was caught with one girl. The cops opened the door and told us to get dressed. No charges were laid and she didn't get charged.
Don't worry nothing is going to happen. I think LE has more important things to do. I told LE to get the fuck out. Stupid. I was in the moment ;)
 

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The main difference between now and 1 months time is
It was a sitting duck law that was winding its way through the court system, this took years.
It is a new law to be used by the police. Make no mistake, the police, provinces etc all had their input when it was being drafted. As someone pointed out the Nordic model was brought in by a liberal country, Canada modeled it after them.
It is up to the individual to do their own risk assessment and conduct themselves accordingly.
 

Alfonzo

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The main difference between now and 1 months time is
It was a sitting duck law that was winding its way through the court system, this took years.
It is a new law to be used by the police. Make no mistake, the police, provinces etc all had their input when it was being drafted. As someone pointed out the Nordic model was brought in by a liberal country, Canada modeled it after them.
It is up to the individual to do their own risk assessment and conduct themselves accordingly.
Can one still buy those life like dolls from Russia that Howard Stern used to have in his studio?
 

thewalker

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Wonder how many girls are just gonna set up an Indy service and give out their numbers to long-time trusted clients. Feels like it's impossible to get caught in the act with that, no?

Do a lot of girls at spas still live with their parents? Might be hard to set up an Indy operation with that situation.
 

bobcat40

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The main difference between now and 1 months time is
It was a sitting duck law that was winding its way through the court system, this took years.
It is a new law to be used by the police. Make no mistake, the police, provinces etc all had their input when it was being drafted. As someone pointed out the Nordic model was brought in by a liberal country, Canada modeled it after them.
It is up to the individual to do their own risk assessment and conduct themselves accordingly.
Actually you are quite wrong on this matter. The Conservatives did not consult any of the municipalities and basically all provincial governments except for Manitoba who supported bill C-36. They mainly consulted police forces who could always use more power and obviously endorsed the legislation. In fact, this new law creates a huge headache for municipal governments (check the CBA submission to the senate). How do the cities control escorts now? Under bill C-36 they can technically run brothels wherever they want. In communities, neighborhoods near schools, apartment buildings, storefronts, etc. Normally, the city would license such activities using zoning restrictions but now doing so is kind of a joke. The city can't license a business which is de facto illegal. So we can only see what would happen once the law passes.
 

the cooler

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Personally I hope something drastic happens and some of these strippers/mpas get a wake call about what a real nine to five job is. Sorry, I've known some recently and they aren't the nicest of people and that's putting it mildly. Three quarters of them would be royally screwed if they couldn't work in this business. No more Gucci hand bags and other over priced accessories. They need to appreciate customers more and realise they need us more then we need them. It's like professional athletes. When hockey was gone for a year, sure people missed it but at the end of the day life goes on and we found other sports to watch or things to do and ways of spending our money. Same thing would happen here. Quite frankly I wouldn't give two shits if all strip clubs and massage parlours closed down. You miss them at first but after a while like every thing else, life would go on and I'd definitely save money in the process.
I'm not wishing this by any means. I just think a lot of these young, bitchy (not all of them are) could use a serious reality check and a splash of cold water on the face. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, just my two cents
 

Alfonzo

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Personally I hope something drastic happens and some of these strippers/mpas get a wake call about what a real nine to five job is. Sorry, I've known some recently and they aren't the nicest of people and that's putting it mildly. Three quarters of them would be royally screwed if they couldn't work in this business. No more Gucci hand bags and other over priced accessories. They need to appreciate customers more and realise they need us more then we need them. It's like professional athletes. When hockey was gone for a year, sure people missed it but at the end of the day life goes on and we found other sports to watch or things to do and ways of spending our money. Same thing would happen here. Quite frankly I wouldn't give two shits if all strip clubs and massage parlours closed down. You miss them at first but after a while like every thing else, life would go on and I'd definitely save money in the process.
I'm not wishing this by any means. I just think a lot of these young, bitchy (not all of them are) could use a serious reality check and a splash of cold water on the face. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, just my two cents
I think of some of the nicer mpa's earning money to pay for higher level education, and being forced to either quit school, or work at three crappy part time jobs in order to continue.
 

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Personally I hope something drastic happens and some of these strippers/mpas get a wake call about what a real nine to five job is. Sorry, I've known some recently and they aren't the nicest of people and that's putting it mildly. Three quarters of them would be royally screwed if they couldn't work in this business. No more Gucci hand bags and other over priced accessories. They need to appreciate customers more and realise they need us more then we need them. It's like professional athletes. When hockey was gone for a year, sure people missed it but at the end of the day life goes on and we found other sports to watch or things to do and ways of spending our money. Same thing would happen here. Quite frankly I wouldn't give two shits if all strip clubs and massage parlours closed down. You miss them at first but after a while like every thing else, life would go on and I'd definitely save money in the process.
I'm not wishing this by any means. I just think a lot of these young, bitchy (not all of them are) could use a serious reality check and a splash of cold water on the face. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, just my two cents
I'm a natural born cynic, but that post took it to another level.

I've personally seen many girls outside of their respective establishments, and have had only good experiences. Most are young and trying to get ahead, or fell into it through friends and found it was a good option compared to what they were doing.

Like a lot of things, more often than not it's just circumstances. A need and a solution.
 

GPIDEAL

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Great. First jacked off by a mpa, then jackbooted by LE, then screwed by a lawyer, then kicked in the balls by my wife. Very bad day.
Whaddya mean screwed by a lawyer? Alan Young would be the best, and you can't beat pro-bono. But he might not save you from your wife.
 

stay

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Actually you are quite wrong on this matter. The Conservatives did not consult any of the municipalities and basically all provincial governments except for Manitoba who supported bill C-36. They mainly consulted police forces who could always use more power and obviously endorsed the legislation. In fact, this new law creates a huge headache for municipal governments (check the CBA submission to the senate). How do the cities control escorts now? Under bill C-36 they can technically run brothels wherever they want. In communities, neighborhoods near schools, apartment buildings, storefronts, etc. Normally, the city would license such activities using zoning restrictions but now doing so is kind of a joke. The city can't license a business which is de facto illegal. So we can only see what would happen once the law passes.
You really don't read. Never mentioned municipal consult. And whatever you thing the feds consult with the provinces on these matters. You don't hear about it.

I only gave you a read til the municipal bit, after that your jibberish.
 

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Here's what I posted in another sub-forum on this site about my C-36 thoughts:

No change for me because of C-36. I've been on a bit of a hobby respite recently for reasons unrelated to C-36 ... I simply seem to have lost my mojo. But the fact of the bill won't change my activities, at least not unless I see reason to adjust.

It seems that people have visions of law enforcement massing their resources for a colossal raid and sweep the morning after the bill may pass, and perhaps the government rounding up a bunch of hackers to go through board reviews and track down people who have posted. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to me. Why in the world would this suddenly become a top law enforcement priority?

Cops want the streets to be safer and for there to be minimal disturbance and maximal peace. As an analogy, there are speed limit laws on the books, but they are not enforced to the exact km/h ... law enforcement nails the extreme speeders, those who are a potential harm to others. So, maybe there will be extra crackdown on streetwalkers or something, but it is probably not worth the time, effort, or cost to target licensed MPs or discrete SPs.

Say C-36 passes. I will have no discomfort or pause visiting a licensed body rub establishment. Those places pay fees, and local governments want those fees. Unless there are complaints against an MP I think it will simply be live and let live. Especially in a large liberal city like Toronto. Perhaps certain municipalities will see fit to crack down, but I've only lived in Toronto in Canada, so that's all I can conjecture on.

I will of course be observant if the bill passes, but until I see evidence I won't let it affect me.
 

Alfonzo

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Here's what I posted in another sub-forum on this site about my C-36 thoughts:

No change for me because of C-36. I've been on a bit of a hobby respite recently for reasons unrelated to C-36 ... I simply seem to have lost my mojo. But the fact of the bill won't change my activities, at least not unless I see reason to adjust.

It seems that people have visions of law enforcement massing their resources for a colossal raid and sweep the morning after the bill may pass, and perhaps the government rounding up a bunch of hackers to go through board reviews and track down people who have posted. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to me. Why in the world would this suddenly become a top law enforcement priority?

Cops want the streets to be safer and for there to be minimal disturbance and maximal peace. As an analogy, there are speed limit laws on the books, but they are not enforced to the exact km/h ... law enforcement nails the extreme speeders, those who are a potential harm to others. So, maybe there will be extra crackdown on streetwalkers or something, but it is probably not worth the time, effort, or cost to target licensed MPs or discrete SPs.

Say C-36 passes. I will have no discomfort or pause visiting a licensed body rub establishment. Those places pay fees, and local governments want those fees. Unless there are complaints against an MP I think it will simply be live and let live. Especially in a large liberal city like Toronto. Perhaps certain municipalities will see fit to crack down, but I've only lived in Toronto in Canada, so that's all I can conjecture on.

I will of course be observant if the bill passes, but until I see evidence I won't let it affect me.
Good observations Any. In parts of the city, the number of spas out number coffee shops. Local businesses and residents have, for years complained to local politicians, with no results. With the law now passed, mounting public pressure will compel LE to act. The police hate responding to residential noise complaints during summer weekends when people are having outdoor parties, but that doesn't deter them from responding to the complaints. I am familiar with at least one rabbi who will make it his mission to close the body rub parlours in the Bathurst and Wilson area.
 
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