While what you are saying is true. The decision to keep or remove these types of business won't be based on your over simplistic analysis. The city can easy "afford" to stop licensing these businesses. The city has an operating budget of 9.6 billion dollars. the 1-2 million from licensing these business is really absolutely nothing. And by shutting down these businesses the city can save on a lot of overhead costs like policy development, bylaw enforcement, licensing, IT costs, etc. So it won't really cost them anything at all. Whether they do it or not is another story.
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While what you are saying is true. The decision to keep or remove these types of business won't be based on your over simplistic analysis. The city can easy "afford" to stop licensing these businesses. The city has an operating budget of 9.6 billion dollars. the 1-2 million from licensing these business is really absolutely nothing. And by shutting down these businesses the city can save on a lot of overhead costs like policy development, bylaw enforcement, licensing, IT costs, etc. So it won't really cost them anything at all. Whether they do it or not is another story.
MPAsquared
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We can agree to disagree.
The licenses are not going anywhere.
The savings would be far less than it earns. Do u know how short staffed the city is? Lol.
Well, this shows that you're up on the finer points of your business, and I thank you for sharing this intelligence. I keep on forgetting the salient details.
If you quizzed me, I'd have said that the observance of an 'act' might be proof, but I think you're right. There's no exchange of money between the parties in the room (and probably not even a 'tip' if people are startled ha ha).
I'd like to ask a question too. What constitutes no nudity? Wearing a bikini?
P.S. This is invaluable information. The more we know, the more we are able to defend ourselves and not be DUPED by intimidating by-law officers or police. This goes the same for attendants. When in doubt, REMAIN SILENT. (I still think we need a Happy Hobbying In a C-36 World thread).
MPAsquared
www.musemassagespa.com
Shower Massage is higher than VIP
True. And vip is simply a bodyslide. Certain cities (like pickering, mississauga, can't post bodyslide).
You forgot the big chunk of money tey get from property taxes. Willing to bet you pay a few thousand dollars every month.
Also a HJ is a sex act, no need to play blind here. One thing you have demonstrated hereis how smart you.
One small piece of advice..... in this case it is best to have your enemy underestimate you.
So for the greater partiality and without prejudice, I can only conclude if what you say is true, then the City of Toronto has been and continues to be living off the avails of prostitution since bill C36 is not yet law. Once C36 becomes law then it would appear that after the first john is brought to orgasm ( method not withstanding, oral-genital, manual-genital, genital-genital, genital-anal etc.) in an establishment that the city collects an annual licence fee from such as a registered massage parlour or holistic spa, that the john, the business owner and the City of Toronto will be in violation of C36. So in effect, The City of Toronto is the biggest pimp in Canada, a pimp with inherent immunity. Bill C36 targets and kneecap the low hanging fruit only. Can someone please tell me if my aforementioned view is cockeyed? Revelations...
Did the light just go on?
Do you think that the movers and shakers are concerned with the bill, they have their supply. Do you believe every Reform/Con lives without a side of tail.
You may even believe that the priests have stopped playing with little boys.
It still seems, as we approach the eleventh hour that members are having problems distinguishing between BR by-law and c36. Cities have no say in criminal activity so a by-law officer will not be issuing a ticket for BJ.
Members concern is what level of service can I legally get in a MP on, or about Dec 6. 8 pages of vague answers should help you decide.
My own feelings about MP and SC is that they should not be permitted to have FS, I feel that business is for escorts. If a stripper or MPA want to provide, they do take out and not eat-in, then there is less pressure on the ladies that are not interested in that line of work. But that POV is mine and also is not relevant to the c36 discussion.
What is also not relevant to the discussion of c36 and how it pertains to massage is that there are prostitues that experience physical abuse. An ex-girlfriend's sister was a street hooker. My girlfriend was just a regular slut. She got a beating because she refused to give a BJ. She was a crack whore with a small child.
Members concern is what level of service can I legally get in a MP on, or about Dec 6. 8 pages of vague answers should help you decide.
My own feelings about MP and SC is that they should not be permitted to have FS, I feel that business is for escorts. If a stripper or MPA want to provide, they do take out and not eat-in, then there is less pressure on the ladies that are not interested in that line of work. But that POV is mine and also is not relevant to the c36 discussion.
What is also not relevant to the discussion of c36 and how it pertains to massage is that there are prostitues that experience physical abuse. An ex-girlfriend's sister was a street hooker. My girlfriend was just a regular slut. She got a beating because she refused to give a BJ. She was a crack whore with a small child.
A revenue argument is absured, the city draws up a budget, expenses and revenues and sets a tax rate to achieve that number. They ain't shaking in their boots about 2 million dollars. Yet they are a greedy lot.
How grim, sad to hear of your associate's plights. I hope they they can get help from government or private substance abuse programs or even from the $20 million fund in the soon to be bill C36.
MPAsquared
www.musemassagespa.com
Certainly cockeyed, but absolutely correct in theory. By actual measure I'd suspect the CRA is the bigger collector though, and they don't even care about pretences.
But just who would you expect to march in and arrest these guys? And why would you want to be taxed to make up the revenue stream that the arrests and prosecution would dry up? You forget the underlying, fundamental rock-bottom basic principle of government: It all began with the biggest baddest thief who stole the most. He got to be King; everything else followed from that.
We're all in the lifeboat together; the big mistake is thinking we can just throw the ones we disagree with overboard—or threaten to—and everythjing will be peachy. Bullies, bandits or bawds, there'll always be another to fill the vacancy; way better to teach them proper manners.
To me, you seem to think that the upswing in service levels rests squarely on the shoulders of the owners. No, the girls that are offering the full menu are on drugs or believe the extra income is the solutions to their problems ( they will eventually find out). They made that choice at a particular time in their life, which can never be undone. It is not my place, nor do I care once that choice has been made.
It is easier to make the owner accountable since they are ultimately responsible for the goings on at their place of business.
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Licensed body rubs are not brothels. What you suspect may be going on (HJs) requires evidence. The spa isn't taking a cut of the tip. C-36 doesn't automatically mean that the spas are illegal establishments. Calm down.
More precisely, a licensed body rub is not necessarily a brothel. What happens vs. what is licensed to happen aren't necessarily the same.
Anyhoo, this position is valid until the definition of "sexual service" is clarified. At least until then, BRP's can assert that they do not provide a sexual service.
