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[Meister]

Actually an alcholic does not have control. That's why he/she is an alcoholic. Someone who has control over a substance does not become addicted. See the difference?

Addiction is a disease of the mind. An overpowering feeling of utter despair that makes you think that you cannot live without the substance or activity with which you are addicted to.

Do you think there is such a thing as a sex addict, is it a disease of the mind also? Or is it just something that Dr. Phil and Dr. Laura came up with?

 

[the rusty tromb]

Do you think there is such a thing as a sex addict? Or is it just something that Dr. Phil and Dr. Laura came up with?

Anytime someone has difficulty with something, just say what's bothering you is a disease.

This debate reminds me of The King Of The Hill episode where Hank hired that drug addict.

 

[blitz]

Rusty, WIYD et al.

I sincerely hope that you never need rethink your bigoted views of addiction.

I sincerely hope that your mother, father, uncles, aunts, children, neices, nephews and godchildren never succomb to addiction.

God forbid if they do, I'm sure your superhuman strength and machismo will be a comforting, narrowminded cure-all for their immediate recovery.

That is all from me in this thread.

 

[MarkII]

Do you think there is such a thing as a sex addict, is it a disease of the mind also? Or is it just something that Dr. Phil and Dr. Laura came up with?

Yep that too can be an addiction.

I tend to think some people will say "I'm addicted" to vilify their personal conduct...but having been involved from a volunteer aspect..you would not believe the number of people that are addicted to the various aspects of sex.

In most cases it's related to approval. They crave the approval of others to verify their own self worth.

Not much different than a drug or alcohol addiction. There is always an underlying compulsion that makes people turn to a substance.

FYI...I work as a volunteer with people beginning treatment to act as a bridge during their initial fear of seeking treatment. I'm there to answer questions, relate my own story, and genneraly qualm fears about what society thinks an addict is. It keeps them in a program...and I act as a buffer to explain the process. I'm a hand holder to those who are scared.

M2

 

[the rusty tromb]

Rusty, WIYD et al.

I sincerely hope that you never need rethink your bigoted views of addiction.

By bigoted do you mean realistic?

Sorry, but addiction and diease are different.

I sincerely hope that your mother, father, uncles, aunts, children, neices, nephews and godchildren never succomb to addiction.

Thank you, and so do I.

God forbid if they do, I'm sure your superhuman strength and machismo will be a comforting, narrowminded cure-all for their immediate recovery.

I'd be doing them a lot better by providing them with tough love then I would be if I just said I feel sorry for them, etc.

I'm not saying addicts don't need help, but saying that it's a disease is an insult to all those who actually have a disease.

 

[pool]

Rusty, old bean

I do see where you are coming from. When "they" would justify my drinking as my having a disease I'd think ... uuuh ... no I don't, I just can't stop drinking coz I'm fucked up.

I do believe it's a genetic "trait" though which is triggered in some people, and that it's a chemical imbalance within individuals that makes them more susceptible to addictions. To me it seems more like a psychological "disorder".

Besides, I thought likening addiction to cancer, is just that; a simile. ie : It eats away at you.

 

[pool]

and then there was TERB

Do you think there is such a thing as a sex addict

No.


PS where the fuck is that n_v ?

 

[the rusty tromb]

Rusty, old bean

To me it seems more like a psychological "disorder".

As usual, you are the voice of reason.

 

[MarkII]

I'd be doing them a lot better by providing them with tough love then I would be if I just said I feel sorry for them, etc.

I'm not saying addicts don't need help, but saying that it's a disease is an insult to all those who actually have a disease.

Rusty,

You are well known here..and your comments are valid .

Let me try and explain something to you and other terbies

For the most part those who are addicted are "usual people" from all walks of life. What has happened is that in some way they have hit an emotional wall.

Whatever the reason for that wall, they're stuck..and lost.

I've said this before and it's true. The first time people turn to a substance it's with good reason..and that substance worked!

The problem is..they KEEP going back to the same solution.

The coping skills we have for everyday life allow us a multiple of choices, but for those people..it's always the same choice. The result is addiction.

The challenge becomes showing them other choices.. One of the most effective ways of helping those in addiction is stress management that is geared speciffically to addiction.

By finding other ways to cope than what you use now..you move forward.

The stress management techniques are idiotically simple..but things most folks have lost sight of.

Thats the key to recovery!

I hope that gives some definition on how it works.

M2

 

[the rusty tromb]

MarkII,

I completely see where you're coming from, and can't argue with anything you just brought up. My whole objection was with comparing Alcoholism and drug addiction to diseases.

 

[ricflairjuniour]

MarkII,

I completely see where you're coming from, and can't argue with anything you just brought up. My whole objection was with comparing Alcoholism and drug addiction to diseases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

 

[Alexis69]

Did you know that if your parents were addicts with drugs alcohol or sex or gambling ? You are born an addict because of the conditioning and learnt behavours they have molded into you as a young child .

Now noone is to blame if your looking for inner peace because if they never got help how could they have possibly helped you .like the old saying goes you cant give what you dont have "

The reality is that once your an addict your an addict for life ........that dosent mean that you will not be able to stop your addictions with counselors doctors support groups etc.....

It means you have to stop blaming yourself for what you became and start focusing on who you want to become.The only thing you can do is admit that your powerless of it and stop trying to be in control cause your control is what got you here in the first place (thinking you have it under control ) If you believe in anything at all let that be your control .

If you dont get professional help and treat this addiction very seriously ,,,you could pick up another addiction to mask that one ..

Just as a diabetic needs insulin to survive .......you need support the right people places and things to stay alive also .The choice is yours to keep doing it your way .......or to find out about a new way

 

[Meister]

Did you know that if your parents were addicts with drugs alcohol or sex or gambling ? You are born an addict because of the conditioning and learnt behavours they have molded into you as a young child

If a Dad is a sex addict how does he mold that into a young child?

It's not like he masturbates in front of the kid 4-6 times a day?!

 

[solitaria]

That doesn't mean they're the same. A lot of times those with cancer have no control over their condition, where as a drunk or drug addict has ALL the control over their condition.

How exactly is an addiction a disease when all it takes to cure their so called

diease is some inner strength?

I think your logic doesn't run deep enough. An addict who is not using is still an addict who is afflicted with their addictions. The way certain substances affect the brain of an addict is different than a non-addict. Take me and an alcoholic by way of an example. Alcohol doesn't affect my brain in the same way as it does an alcoholic and I have no desire to drink since it doesn't give my brain a needed high like it does an alcoholic. It is not that I have more will power than an alcoholic I just don't have the same cravings based on how the chemicals in my brain react to the alcohol that I put in my body that fuels the addiction based on genetic hardwiring that sets up chemical imbalances that sets up states of depression that can be altered through drugs temporarily which many people rely on to cope and feel good. You just have to remember the chemical imbalances that set up strong propensities for addictions in some people are genetic and can never be overcome. It is very flawed and hypocritical to judge these people harshly since hardly anyone can go against their natures and physical drives/craving for a very long time. Some of us learn to cope by the way we are able to seek fulfillment in the things that we need to do in order to give our brains the needed highs to function in life. For others this is exponentially more difficult to accomplish. If you aren't a coke addict or a huge substance abuser I would just consider yourself lucky that your reality doesn't have the same psychological trappings set up by chemical imbalances that befall others in life.

 

[booboobear]

Puleeze. It's a sign of a weak person. Now he's trapped and guess what? We tax payers will foot the bill. Just do us all a favour and OD someday soon, will ya? There are more deserving people out there to help.

You sir are a moron to wish that someone OD . I am an addict too and I can guarantee you nobody asks to be an addict or thinks they will become one.
Unless you know anything about the subject you should shut up.

 

[booboobear]

That doesn't mean they're the same. A lot of times those with cancer have no control over their condition, where as a drunk or drug addict has ALL the control over their condition.

Do you see the difference?

How exactly is an addiction a disease when all it takes to cure their so called

diease is some inner strength?


?

Since I am also a coke addict I speak with experience. Your statement about all it takes to cure an addiction is wrong . When you stop using you are not cured you still have the desire to use . People who have never used don't have the desire or mental predisposition to use . Think of it as a disease of the mind rather than the body.

 

[holden]

Don't you guys get bored of coke after a while?

At first it was neat, a different experience something to try, but after a while don't you get bored of hanging out in basement washrooms trying to run a fat rail - At least with alcohol, there's different refreshing cocktails. Also, don't you find that all coke does is take you to limbo - it doesn't get you up or down - it just makes you not feel or care which can be boring after awhile

 

[booboobear]

Don't you guys get bored of coke after a while?

At first it was neat, a different experience something to try, but after a while don't you get bored of hanging out in basement washrooms trying to run a fat rail - At least with alcohol, there's different refreshing cocktails. Also, don't you find that all coke does is take you to limbo - it doesn't get you up or down - it just makes you not feel or care which can be boring after awhile

This is true but addicts repeat mistakes. Most of the coke now is 70 % cut even the crack they have some come back crap . When all of a sudden you get purer coke that's when IV users OD . After a while coke makes you broke and dejected but you chase that first hit.

 

[holden]

I think coke addictions stem from not being happy with their life - you just want time to move faster and coke takes the equation of feeling out of that time. Maybe coke addicts should start a excercise regiment, this might help with the with draw problems.

 

[jwmorrice]

Coming Back Around to Ray

I still find myself appalled by Fred's banning of Ray - like Ray isn't fit to associate with such as the likes of us! Nothing like making a person feel small, weak, and morally impaired to induce change.

As for Fred saying that all he requires is an email from Ray stating that he has sought help, well, what person with a scrap of self-esteem would respond to that offer?

Ray may be an ass at times but as such, he fits right in here! This isn't some community of saints.

jwm