C-19 dead lose an average of 10 years of life

[lenny2]

"A study published in the Journal of Public Health finds that for each person in the U.S. who died after contracting COVID-19, an average of nearly 10 years of life had been lost."

Death counts fail to capture full mortality effects of COVID-19, study finds

A new study finds that for each person in the U.S. who died after contracting COVID-19, an average of nearly 10 years of life had been lost. Researchers claim 'years of life lost' is a more insightful measure than death count since it accounts for the ages of the deceased.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[shack]

I think that is a hard number to accurately determine. Too many factors come into play for them to place a correct weighting on. Average age at death (without covid) cannot be taken at face value. Lifestyle, co-morbidities etc.

 

[benstt]

I think that is a hard number to accurately determine. Too many factors come into play for them to place a correct weighting on. Average age at death (without covid) cannot be taken at face value. Lifestyle, co-morbidities etc.

It is fairly easy for an actuarial student to calculate the average number of years lost given basic data about the deceased population.

 

[lenny2]

So the 1,400,000 dead already in months from C-19 have been robbed of about 14,000,000 years of living.

 

[jalimon]

It is fairly easy for an actuarial student to calculate the average number of years lost given basic data about the deceased population.

Exactly. Not that hard to calculate with a high accuracy rate.

What would be more meaningful, but very non ethical, would be to calculate active/normal year of life lost. I mean by that year's of life where you can still take care of yourself on your own.

 

[shack]

I mean by that year's of life where you can still take care of yourself on your own.

Quality of life means different things to different people. It is up to each individual to decide if they feel that their life is worthwhile. So for that reason, from when you start calculating how many years of quality life are left, it is impossible to determine.

 

[barnacler]

Quality of life means different things to different people. It is up to each individual to decide if they feel that their life is worthwhile. So for that reason, from when you start calculating how many years of quality life are left, it is impossible to determine.

TOTAL MORBIDITY stastistics will solve this issue.

If total deaths in 2020 are in line with what would be expected in a normal year, then COVID has merely taken over from other natural causes. The lost years would be zero.

 

[shack]

If total deaths of natural causes in 2020 are in line with what would be expected in a normal year, then COVID has merely taken over from other natural causes. The lost years would be zero.

Modified your post to compare apples to apples.

 

[TeeJay]

Modified your post to compare apples to apples.

Why would you modify it to "natural causes"?

Even pre-Covid you still get accidents, murders, other illnesses

Very very few people die of natural causes (5%? in Canada)

 

[shack]

Why would you modify it to "natural causes"?

You have to be the most clued out person here.

Because HE said natural causes.

If total deaths in 2020 are in line with what would be expected in a normal year, then COVID has merely taken over from other natural causes. The lost years would be zero.

 

[benstt]

Very very few people die of natural causes (5%? in Canada)

Kinda curious what you classify as natural causes to get a number like 5%. Sounds like we should be doing something if 95% of deaths are not attributed to natural causes.

 

[TeeJay]

Kinda curious what you classify as natural causes to get a number like 5%. Sounds like we should be doing something if 95% of deaths are not attributed to natural causes.

Natural cause = old age
I would think that to be obvious no?

Disease / virus / accident / cancers / heart attack etc are not natural
All of them are caused by an outside interference to body normal functioning

 

[benstt]

Natural cause = old age
I would think that to be obvious no?

Disease / virus / accident / cancers / heart attack etc are not natural
All of them are caused by an outside interference to body normal functioning

Thanks, looks like your definition is out of step with the way I understand the term.

 

[doggystyle99]

TOTAL MORBIDITY stastistics will solve this issue.

If total deaths in 2020 are in line with what would be expected in a normal year, then COVID has merely taken over from other natural causes. The lost years would be zero.

Although excess deaths will represent the extra number of deaths as a result of COVID, there are other factors that have to be taken into consideration. For eg how many less deaths did each country see from each cause such as accidents, crimes, heart attacks, etc....

In Canada as of October 5th 2020 we already have roughly 13,000 extra deaths in 2020 than we did in all of 2019 and that's not taking all those factors of reduction or possible increase (highly unlikely) into consideration

Canada: number of deaths 2023 | Statista

Between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023, there were around 330,380 deaths reported in Canada.

www.statista.com

 

[shack]

Natural cause = old age
I would think that to be obvious no?

Once again, WRONG.

Natural cause means health related, i.e., not an accident or trauma or chemically induced. It would be a biological failure of one's body at ANY AGE.

Of course a heart attack and cancer are natural causes. I know you don't like dictionaries but go look it up.

 

[barnacler]

Although excess deaths will represent the extra number of deaths as a result of COVID, there are other factors that have to be taken into consideration. For eg how many less deaths did each country see from each cause such as accidents, crimes, heart attacks, etc....

In Canada as of October 5th 2020 we already have roughly 13,000 extra deaths in 2020 than we did in all of 2019 and that's not taking all those factors of reduction or possible increase (highly unlikely) into consideration

Canada: number of deaths 2023 | Statista

Between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023, there were around 330,380 deaths reported in Canada.

www.statista.com

There are extra deaths, as you put it, every year, due to population growth.

 

[barnacler]

Every year the dead lose life when the NEW normal flu arrives on the scene.

And the year after that the dead lose life when the next, and the next, and the next flu comes along.

what we have now is a template that whenever a new flu comes along, damn, if we can give it a name, we will need to lockdown to stop it.

 

[lenny2]

There are extra deaths, as you put it, every year, due to population growth.

Population growth as in babies being conceived & born, or immigration?

Do all countries experience population growth every year?

Can population growth account for the excess deaths or are they primarily due to C-19?

 

[lenny2]

Every year the dead lose life when the NEW normal flu arrives on the scene.

And the year after that the dead lose life when the next, and the next, and the next flu comes along.

what we have now is a template that whenever a new flu comes along, damn, if we can give it a name, we will need to lockdown to stop it.

Years ago there were studies saying that masks would save lives from the flu. Yet what health authority recommended lockdowns to stop it? Why would they change their mind in future years? OTOH if C-19 keeps coming back year after year like the flu, requiring new annual vaccinations...

"By the way, the facts about COVID-19 vs Flue in the US - the lies Trump, Pense (saying flu kills 100k a year) and his uneducated masses is promoting:
Flu Deaths by season:
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38.000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,000
2019-2020 22,000
vs.
COVID-19 deaths year-to-date 2020 210,000 and rapidly rising.

Source: CDC and John Hopkins University
The fact-based world not the Trump alternative facts fantasyland.


https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/thi...aced-the-fire-hose.725831/page-2#post-6828507

 

[doggystyle99]

There are extra deaths, as you put it, every year, due to population growth.

Other than an uninforemd way to try and undermine the threat COVID represents there is not point to your post.

As it looks this year the population growth in Canada will be a smaller % compared to last and the direct cause of this is due to COVID, yet by the end of this 2020 year it looks like there will be some roughly 20,000 extra deaths from the previous year with a smaller % of population growth.
It’s easy to understand these deaths are not due to population growth but a direct cause of COVID.

People like you who are trying to downplay the threat COVID represents 11 months into the pandemic in Canada are just extremely misinformed on the subject and lack empathy towards others.
Again all of these numbers of cases and deaths are with preventive measures in place, these number of deaths would have been significantly higher had it not been for these preventive measures in place.