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Hamas security forces have returned to Gaza’s streets, clashing with armed groups and killing alleged gangsters in a bid to restore law and order where Israeli troops withdrew.

This show of force, welcomed by some Palestinians after months of lawlessness, could now threaten the fragile ceasefire, especially as all living hostages from Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack have been released.



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Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said the war will not end until Hamas has been dismantled, and US president Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan calls for Hamas to disarm and hand power over to an internationally supervised body that has yet to be formed.

Hamas has not fully accepted those terms, saying more negotiations are needed. It says it is willing to hand over power to other Palestinians but will not allow chaos to prevail during the transition. Israelis fear that as long as Hamas is armed, it will exercise influence in Gaza – and could rebuild its military capabilities – even if an independent body exercises nominal rule.

Trump said Tuesday that Hamas “did take out a couple of gangs that were very bad,” and killed a number of gang members. “That didn't bother me much, to be honest with you,” he said.

But he reiterated his demand for Hamas to lay down its arms, saying: “They will disarm, and if they don’t do so, we will disarm them, and it’ll happen quickly and perhaps violently.”


Freed Palestinian prisoners carry rifles as they arrive in the Gaza Strip following their release from Israeli jails under the new ceasefire (AP)

Freed Palestinian prisoners carry rifles as they arrive in the Gaza Strip following their release from Israeli jails under the new ceasefire (AP)
The Hamas-run police maintained a high degree of public security after the militants seized power in Gaza 18 years ago while also cracking down on dissent. They largely melted away in recent months as Israeli forces seized large areas of Gaza and targeted Hamas security forces with airstrikes

Powerful local families and armed gangs – including some anti-Hamas factions backed by Israel – stepped into the void. Many are accused of hijacking humanitarian aid and selling it for profit, contributing to Gaza’s starvation crisis.

Nahed Sheheiber, head of Gaza’s private truckers union, said Hamas was acting against gangs that had terrorised people in areas controlled by Israel.

“Those gangs looted aid and killed people under the protection of the [Israeli] occupation,” he told The Associated Press, saying they operated in so-called red zones where Israel had ordered people to evacuate. The Israeli military did not respond to a request for comment.

Over the weekend, Hamas-led fighters clashed with an armed group in Gaza City affiliated with the powerful Doghmush family after the killing of Mohammed Aqel, a Hamas militant, on Friday.

Aqel’s family said in a statement that militiamen had kidnapped him, robbed him and killed him. Another family, the al-Muqaid, said the gang ambushed five of its members when they returned to their homes and robbed them, killing one and leaving another in intensive care.


Residents of the area, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of security concerns, said the gang, led by Hussam Doghmush, was known to loot aid convoys and rob abandoned homes in areas controlled by the Israeli military. They said Doghmush was among some two dozen people killed in the clashes with Hamas, including a local journalist and a son of a senior Hamas official based outside Gaza.

Hamas-linked Telegram channels said Hamas had targeted “collaborators and traitors” working with Israel. The Hamas-run Sahm security force, which says it targets looters and other criminals, shared footage that appeared to show its forces killing eight people execution-style in the streets as people cheered. It said the detainees were gangsters.

The Gaza-based Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights and the Palestinian Independent Commission for Human Rights denounced the extrajudicial killings by Hamas.

The Doghmush family initially denounced the gang and distanced itself from it. Two days later, it issued another statement condemning Hamas’ response, saying there was no need for “this brutality”.


Hamas gunmen escort buses carrying freed Palestinian prisoners on Monday (AP)

Hamas gunmen escort buses carrying freed Palestinian prisoners on Monday (AP)
Saeed Abu Elaish, a medic from the northern Jabaliya refugee camp who fled to central Gaza last month, said he had seen police return to the streets and welcomed it as a first step toward restoring “some kind of normalcy and safety” after two years of ruinous war.

Netanyahu has hinted he will resume military operations if Hamas is not disarmed peacefully.

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The Hamas-run Interior Ministry has announced a weeklong amnesty, saying gang members not implicated in bloodshed can turn themselves in and have their records expunged. Those who do not will face arrest and prosecution, it said.

“No one will be allowed to undermine public security or the rights of citizens,” the ministry said in a statement, calling it a “a final warning”.

Hossam al-Astal, the leader of an anti-Hamas militia in southern Gaza with apparent links to Israel, rejected the warning.

“To all the Hamas rats, your tunnels are destroyed, your rights don’t exist anymore. Repent before it is too late – there is no Hamas from today onward,” he wrote on Facebook.

Al-Astal, who was imprisoned by Hamas before the war on allegations of drug smuggling, established an armed group late last year that operates in areas controlled by Israel. He appears to have joined forces with Yasser Abu Shabab, who leads a similar armed group in the Israeli-controlled southern city of Rafah that has a history of looting aid convoys.


Israel has acknowledged supporting Abu Shabab and others opposed to Hamas, while denying any involvement in the looting of aid.

The presence of such groups could complicate talks over Hamas’ disarmament. The militants have expressed willingness to hand over offensive weapons like rockets to a Palestinian or Arab body but say they need lighter weapons like assault rifles to defend themselves, according to Arab officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive ceasefire talks.

Hamas carries out public executions after returning to the streets of Gaza
 

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Hamas security forces have returned to Gaza’s streets, clashing with armed groups and killing alleged gangsters in a bid to restore law and order where Israeli troops withdrew.

This show of force, welcomed by some Palestinians after months of lawlessness, could now threaten the fragile ceasefire, especially as all living hostages from Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack have been released.



more

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said the war will not end until Hamas has been dismantled, and US president Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan calls for Hamas to disarm and hand power over to an internationally supervised body that has yet to be formed.

Hamas has not fully accepted those terms, saying more negotiations are needed. It says it is willing to hand over power to other Palestinians but will not allow chaos to prevail during the transition. Israelis fear that as long as Hamas is armed, it will exercise influence in Gaza – and could rebuild its military capabilities – even if an independent body exercises nominal rule.

Trump said Tuesday that Hamas “did take out a couple of gangs that were very bad,” and killed a number of gang members. “That didn't bother me much, to be honest with you,” he said.

But he reiterated his demand for Hamas to lay down its arms, saying: “They will disarm, and if they don’t do so, we will disarm them, and it’ll happen quickly and perhaps violently.”


Freed Palestinian prisoners carry rifles as they arrive in the Gaza Strip following their release from Israeli jails under the new ceasefire (AP)

Freed Palestinian prisoners carry rifles as they arrive in the Gaza Strip following their release from Israeli jails under the new ceasefire (AP)
The Hamas-run police maintained a high degree of public security after the militants seized power in Gaza 18 years ago while also cracking down on dissent. They largely melted away in recent months as Israeli forces seized large areas of Gaza and targeted Hamas security forces with airstrikes

Powerful local families and armed gangs – including some anti-Hamas factions backed by Israel – stepped into the void. Many are accused of hijacking humanitarian aid and selling it for profit, contributing to Gaza’s starvation crisis.

Nahed Sheheiber, head of Gaza’s private truckers union, said Hamas was acting against gangs that had terrorised people in areas controlled by Israel.

“Those gangs looted aid and killed people under the protection of the [Israeli] occupation,” he told The Associated Press, saying they operated in so-called red zones where Israel had ordered people to evacuate. The Israeli military did not respond to a request for comment.

Over the weekend, Hamas-led fighters clashed with an armed group in Gaza City affiliated with the powerful Doghmush family after the killing of Mohammed Aqel, a Hamas militant, on Friday.

Aqel’s family said in a statement that militiamen had kidnapped him, robbed him and killed him. Another family, the al-Muqaid, said the gang ambushed five of its members when they returned to their homes and robbed them, killing one and leaving another in intensive care.


Residents of the area, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of security concerns, said the gang, led by Hussam Doghmush, was known to loot aid convoys and rob abandoned homes in areas controlled by the Israeli military. They said Doghmush was among some two dozen people killed in the clashes with Hamas, including a local journalist and a son of a senior Hamas official based outside Gaza.

Hamas-linked Telegram channels said Hamas had targeted “collaborators and traitors” working with Israel. The Hamas-run Sahm security force, which says it targets looters and other criminals, shared footage that appeared to show its forces killing eight people execution-style in the streets as people cheered. It said the detainees were gangsters.

The Gaza-based Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights and the Palestinian Independent Commission for Human Rights denounced the extrajudicial killings by Hamas.

The Doghmush family initially denounced the gang and distanced itself from it. Two days later, it issued another statement condemning Hamas’ response, saying there was no need for “this brutality”.


Hamas gunmen escort buses carrying freed Palestinian prisoners on Monday (AP)

Hamas gunmen escort buses carrying freed Palestinian prisoners on Monday (AP)
Saeed Abu Elaish, a medic from the northern Jabaliya refugee camp who fled to central Gaza last month, said he had seen police return to the streets and welcomed it as a first step toward restoring “some kind of normalcy and safety” after two years of ruinous war.

Netanyahu has hinted he will resume military operations if Hamas is not disarmed peacefully.

more

The Hamas-run Interior Ministry has announced a weeklong amnesty, saying gang members not implicated in bloodshed can turn themselves in and have their records expunged. Those who do not will face arrest and prosecution, it said.

“No one will be allowed to undermine public security or the rights of citizens,” the ministry said in a statement, calling it a “a final warning”.

Hossam al-Astal, the leader of an anti-Hamas militia in southern Gaza with apparent links to Israel, rejected the warning.

“To all the Hamas rats, your tunnels are destroyed, your rights don’t exist anymore. Repent before it is too late – there is no Hamas from today onward,” he wrote on Facebook.

Al-Astal, who was imprisoned by Hamas before the war on allegations of drug smuggling, established an armed group late last year that operates in areas controlled by Israel. He appears to have joined forces with Yasser Abu Shabab, who leads a similar armed group in the Israeli-controlled southern city of Rafah that has a history of looting aid convoys.


Israel has acknowledged supporting Abu Shabab and others opposed to Hamas, while denying any involvement in the looting of aid.

The presence of such groups could complicate talks over Hamas’ disarmament. The militants have expressed willingness to hand over offensive weapons like rockets to a Palestinian or Arab body but say they need lighter weapons like assault rifles to defend themselves, according to Arab officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive ceasefire talks.

Hamas carries out public executions after returning to the streets of Gaza
You won't read this or check, but Israel funded and sent in ISIS/Al Qaeda militants into Gaza.
So now you're on the side of ISIS and Israel.


 

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Freed Israeli hostages and their families are giving harrowing first accounts of captivity in Gaza, describing prolonged isolation, torture, starvation, and psychological manipulation.

New testimonies aired on Hebrew media on Wednesday include claims that captors pressed one hostage to convert to Islam in exchange for food and that others were confined in tunnels for nearly the entire two years since their abduction.



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Tami Braslavski, mother of freed hostage Rom Braslavski, said her son “was held alone” by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and was taken down to the tunnels only “two days before his release.”

“His captors demanded that he convert to Islam. He refused. He went through abuse, and I don’t want to elaborate further,” she told Channel 13 News. She added: “Nothing really makes me feel good, except one thing – he stands by the window and looks at the sky.”

In a separate report, Israel Hayom quoted Braslavski’s mother saying that Rom “was held alone for two years, and for part of the time he was held with the bodies of other hostages beside him.” She said he reported the location of those bodies to Israeli authorities upon his return.


Former hostage Rom Braslavski, with his family, in a helicopter on their way to the hospital. October 14, 2025. (credit: GPO)

Former hostage Rom Braslavski, with his family, in a helicopter on their way to the hospital. October 14, 2025. (credit: GPO)
She described psychological abuse that included being told that “Iran bombed Israel,” being shown selective footage to convince him his parents had given up on him, and repeated efforts to induce him to fast during Ramadan or read the Quran in return for food and better conditions. “As soon as he came back, he kept saying, ‘I am Jewish… I am strong,’ and he put on tefillin,” she said.




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Ynet published further details from Braslavski’s mother, who said his torment intensified in recent months and recounted an episode in which, amid severe hunger, he freed himself from his shackles and tried to cook pasta by lighting a makeshift fire, prompting local residents to bang on windows as smoke billowed out. “He feared he would be lynched,” she said. She added that since returning, he asks for “sky, sun, and air” rather than gifts or devices.

Accounts from other released hostages, aired by Channel 13 on Tuesday night, describe years spent underground, constant restraint, and extreme weight loss.

Elkana Bohbot said he “was in tunnels throughout the entire captivity” and knew of the public campaign his mother led for his release.

Alon Ohel said he was left alone in a tunnel after the previous deal until Guy Gilboa-Dalal was placed with him. Ohel learned he would be freed only a day before it happened and now suffers from shrapnel injuries and impaired vision.



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IDF soldiers Matan Angrest and Nimrod Cohen, both wounded during their kidnapping, endured “severe physical abuse,” according to the report.

Cohen said that early in captivity, he was kept with the Horn brothers, Sagui Dekel-Chen, and David Cunio, and that guards even allowed them to watch Olympic broadcasts at times. He recalled being told, falsely, that his father had “attacked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu” while in the United States.

Hostages 'constantly shackled,' left in tunnels without light
Channel 13 added that many returnees were “constantly shackled,” most were kept in tunnels without daylight, several went barefoot for extended periods and struggled to readjust to shoes, and significant weight loss was evident, including in Eitan Horn and Maxim Herkin.

The report said Hamas interrogated the captives harshly, especially soldiers, and used snippets of Israeli media to inflict psychological harm. “It’s been a long time since I saw the sky,” one hostage told officers after returning.

Braslavski’s mother stressed that her family’s ordeal underscored the urgency of bringing the remaining hostages and the bodies of those who were killed back to Israel. “It’s not over,” she told Channel 13. “We still have hostages whose bodies must be returned.”

‘They demanded he convert to Islam’: Rom Braslavski was alone for two years, mother says
 

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It’s a genocide cause Franky said so lol
Frank let me write you a Px for your TDS it’s getting way out of control sir lol
It’s a genocide it’s a genocide lol
Too late, buddy, half of Canada and the US says Israel is committing genocide.
All the experts, all the reports and all the evidence backs it up.

Have you just chosen to back killing children to steal their land because you hate one race, right?
Or are you trying to declare its not really nazi like because you really don't think its happening?



 

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Well, imagine that, @Valcazar
Kamela Harris says it might be genocide.
Imagine losing the election because you denied and backed the genocide only to have to admit that it was genocide.

Still shameless and duplicitous. Or, as she used to say "let's have a conversation".
Unless the Dems defenestrate this entire upper layer of useless "passed their good date" hangers on, they will keep losing.
 
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Yes, but too lethargically for my taste. Look at Corey Booker.


South Africa pushes ahead with genocide case against Israel despite Gaza ceasefire
Geoffrey YorkAfrica Bureau Chief
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The ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas 'will have no bearing' on the ICJ genocide case against Israel, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said earlier this week.Eraldo Peres/The Associated Press


South African leaders say they are pushing ahead with their genocide allegations against Israel at the International Court of Justice, despite the latest Gaza ceasefire and the threat of further U.S. pressure against Pretoria.
The country’s genocide case against Israel has emerged as a major grievance for U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration and for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has called it a “blood libel.” But South Africa insists it will not abandon the case, even after the peace agreement reached between Israel and Hamas last week.
Here's what you need to know about Gaza and the Israel-Hamas war, including the ceasefire deal, the toll of the war so far and what comes next.
South Africa launched the case against Israel at the world court in The Hague in December, 2023. It accuses Israel of violating the international genocide convention by killing and starving Palestinians in Gaza.
“The peace deal that has been struck, which we welcome, will have no bearing on the case that is before the International Court of Justice,” South African President Cyril Ramaphosa told the upper house of Parliament this week.
“In the end, real justice must be done for the people of Palestine,” he said. “We cannot go forward without the healing that needs to take place, which will also result from the case that was launched being properly heard.”
Mr. Ramaphosa said his government has taken “decisive action” to advocate for the rights of Palestinians. “At times we’ve done it at great cost to ourselves as a country,” he said.
Opinion: Peace can’t be attained until Gaza and its people have been rebuilt
He may have been referring to the penalties imposed by Mr. Trump, who cited the genocide case as one reason for his executive order in February that terminated all U.S. assistance to South Africa. The case has also been cited by members of the U.S. Congress who have tabled legislation calling for sanctions against South African officials and a full review of American relations with the country.
The ICJ is not expected to make a ruling on the genocide allegations until 2027 at the earliest. But in provisional orders last year, the court directed Israel to take emergency action in Gaza, including the provision of humanitarian supplies and other measures to prevent any violation of the genocide convention.
The genocide case has continually rankled the Israeli government. In a visit to Washington last month, Mr. Netanyahu complained about “lawfare” against Israel at the ICJ and the International Criminal Court.
Joshua Meservey, an Africa analyst at the Hudson Institute, a conservative U.S. think tank, said the Gaza peace deal is a “fascinating dilemma” for South African officials. “Will they seize the opportunity to step back from the ICJ case and remove a massive bone of contention between the U.S. and [South Africa], or will their categorical anti-Israel ideology make it impossible?” he asked in a social-media post this week.

Despite the U.S. pressure, the South African government has been pleased that its court case has won support from many countries worldwide, including Brazil, Spain, Ireland, Turkey, Chile and Colombia. A United Nations commission of inquiry also concluded last month that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
“Our case was initially rejected in some quarters as populist, blood libel, meritless and baseless,” South African deputy foreign minister Alvin Botes told an international conference in Malaysia on Tuesday.
“Today … there is a growing body of consensus that what has taken place in Gaza is indeed genocide,” he said. “We have chosen to be on the side of the global majority that has rejected these horrific actions.”
For those caught in the middle, the path to Middle East peace is a long one
In another sign of defiance against the United States and Israel, South Africa has become a leader of the recently formed Hague Group, which promotes support for the ICJ and ICC, including the Israel-related cases at both courts.
Eight countries belong formally to the group, but more than 30 countries have participated in some of its meetings. “We look forward to more states joining our initiative and civil society to support us,” Mr. Botes told the conference in Malaysia.
Many South African civil-society groups have supported the accusations against Israel. The Nelson Mandela Foundation has invited Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, to give its annual Mandela lecture this year, despite U.S. sanctions against her and sharp criticism of her by Israel.
The Israeli embassy in South Africa, in a social-media post this week, ridiculed the foundation’s invitation to her, saying that Ms. Albanese was being “rewarded” for hate. But the foundation said it had to move the lecture to a bigger venue because of high public demand.
 

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"half of Canada" "half of US"
these statements are why i'm saying you're fake...you just pull these out of your ass... "it's always Jews are bad, Hamas is good"...pathetic.
Careful, rich, you're getting close to understanding how hated your views are everywhere.
But you really need to stop that antisemitic crap where you declare zionism = 'the Jews'.

This was done by zionists, not 'the Jews'.

 
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Omri Miran, who was held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, was kept in a cramped cage and was bound for weeks during his time in captivity, according to details shared by his family to Israel Hayom.
Speaking on Thursday, Miran’s brother, Boaz, described the physical conditions his brother endured. “At first, there were five hostages in a cage just 1.8 meters by 1.6 meters. You couldn’t stand – you had to crouch,” he said. “Gradually, they took people out until only he and one other hostage were left.”
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Boaz said Omri was bound for three weeks, though not immediately after being abducted. “We don’t know why. It had to do with the terrorists who were holding them. They kept changing – the locations, the people, everything,” he said.
'There was nowhere to run'
The captors, according to the family, frequently left their weapons unattended near the hostages. “Omri told me that sometimes a terrorist would just go out and leave his gun beside him,” Boaz said. “He considered trying to escape, but he knew there was nowhere to run.”
Boaz also recounted that the hostages were told by their captors about fellow hostage Ron Krivoy, who briefly escaped but was later recaptured. “They said someone had been walking around outside for three or four days, and when locals found him, they beat him badly. Hamas terrorists rescued him from the crowd,” he said.

Tzvika Mor, the father of released Israeli hostage Eitan Mor, speaks to the press, flanked by Boaz and Nadav Miran, the brothers of released Israeli hostage Omri Miran, at Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, October 15, 2025. (credit: Gabriel Colodro/The Media Line)

Tzvika Mor, the father of released Israeli hostage Eitan Mor, speaks to the press, flanked by Boaz and Nadav Miran, the brothers of released Israeli hostage Omri Miran, at Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, October 15, 2025. (credit: Gabriel Colodro/The Media Line)
In the days leading up to his release, Miran reportedly heard nearby explosions and heavy machinery. “He said he could hear D9 bulldozers driving above them. You could actually feel it. There were very powerful explosions,” Boaz said.
Miran was released as part of a previous hostage deal. Further details regarding his recovery and the conditions of other hostages are still under investigation.


Former hostage Omri Miran recounts harsh captivity conditions
 

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Omri Miran, who was held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, was kept in a cramped cage and was bound for weeks during his time in captivity, according to details shared by his family to Israel Hayom.
Speaking on Thursday, Miran’s brother, Boaz, described the physical conditions his brother endured. “At first, there were five hostages in a cage just 1.8 meters by 1.6 meters. You couldn’t stand – you had to crouch,” he said. “Gradually, they took people out until only he and one other hostage were left.”
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Boaz said Omri was bound for three weeks, though not immediately after being abducted. “We don’t know why. It had to do with the terrorists who were holding them. They kept changing – the locations, the people, everything,” he said.
'There was nowhere to run'
The captors, according to the family, frequently left their weapons unattended near the hostages. “Omri told me that sometimes a terrorist would just go out and leave his gun beside him,” Boaz said. “He considered trying to escape, but he knew there was nowhere to run.”
Boaz also recounted that the hostages were told by their captors about fellow hostage Ron Krivoy, who briefly escaped but was later recaptured. “They said someone had been walking around outside for three or four days, and when locals found him, they beat him badly. Hamas terrorists rescued him from the crowd,” he said.

Tzvika Mor, the father of released Israeli hostage Eitan Mor, speaks to the press, flanked by Boaz and Nadav Miran, the brothers of released Israeli hostage Omri Miran, at Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, October 15, 2025. (credit: Gabriel Colodro/The Media Line)

Tzvika Mor, the father of released Israeli hostage Eitan Mor, speaks to the press, flanked by Boaz and Nadav Miran, the brothers of released Israeli hostage Omri Miran, at Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, October 15, 2025. (credit: Gabriel Colodro/The Media Line)
In the days leading up to his release, Miran reportedly heard nearby explosions and heavy machinery. “He said he could hear D9 bulldozers driving above them. You could actually feel it. There were very powerful explosions,” Boaz said.
Miran was released as part of a previous hostage deal. Further details regarding his recovery and the conditions of other hostages are still under investigation.


Former hostage Omri Miran recounts harsh captivity conditions
Sounds like he was treated much better than Palestinian hostages.
I mean they abused Greta sexually and she's a public figure.

 
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