Bush is not Hitler...
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While Shrub may not be Hitler ..
... it's stuff like this that keeeps us all going:
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8196576/
U.S. blocks call for Uzbek killings probe
Fear of losing base access opens rift with NATO allies
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Glenn Kessler
The Washington Post
Updated: 5:29 a.m. ET June 14, 2005
Defense officials from Russia and the United States last week helped block a new demand for an international probe into the Uzbekistan government's shooting of hundreds of protesters last month, according to U.S. and diplomatic officials.
British and other European officials had pushed to include language calling for an independent investigation in a communique issued by defense ministers of NATO countries and Russia after a daylong meeting in Brussels on Thursday. But the joint communique merely stated that "issues of security and stability in Central Asia, including Uzbekistan," had been discussed.
The outcome obscured an internal U.S. dispute over whether NATO ministers should raise the May 13 shootings in Andijan at the risk of provoking Uzbekistan to cut off U.S. access to a military air base on its territory.
Rift seen between State, Defense
The communique's wording was worked out after what several knowledgeable sources called a vigorous debate in Brussels between U.S. defense officials, who emphasized the importance of the base, and others, including State Department representatives at NATO headquarters, who favored language calling for a transparent, independent and international probe into the killings of Uzbekistan civilians by police and soldiers.
State and Defense department spokesmen, asked to comment about the debate, said that Washington has one policy and that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld — at the ministerial meeting — verbally endorsed previous statements about the incident by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and President Bush.
Other officials said the disagreements between Defense and State officials reflect a continuing rift in the administration over how to handle a breach of human rights that has come under sharp criticism by the State Department, the European Union and some U.S. lawmakers.
Rice has said publicly that international involvement in an inquiry into the killings in Andijan is essential, and she has declined an Uzbek invitation for Washington to send observers to a commission of inquiry controlled by the parliament. Three U.S. officials said Uzbek President Islam Karimov has retaliated against her criticism by recently curtailing certain U.S. military flights into the air base at Karshi-Khanabad, in the country's southeast. The U.S. military considers the base a vital logistics hub in its anti-terrorism efforts.
... it's stuff like this that keeeps us all going:
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8196576/
U.S. blocks call for Uzbek killings probe
Fear of losing base access opens rift with NATO allies
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Glenn Kessler
The Washington Post
Updated: 5:29 a.m. ET June 14, 2005
Defense officials from Russia and the United States last week helped block a new demand for an international probe into the Uzbekistan government's shooting of hundreds of protesters last month, according to U.S. and diplomatic officials.
British and other European officials had pushed to include language calling for an independent investigation in a communique issued by defense ministers of NATO countries and Russia after a daylong meeting in Brussels on Thursday. But the joint communique merely stated that "issues of security and stability in Central Asia, including Uzbekistan," had been discussed.
The outcome obscured an internal U.S. dispute over whether NATO ministers should raise the May 13 shootings in Andijan at the risk of provoking Uzbekistan to cut off U.S. access to a military air base on its territory.
Rift seen between State, Defense
The communique's wording was worked out after what several knowledgeable sources called a vigorous debate in Brussels between U.S. defense officials, who emphasized the importance of the base, and others, including State Department representatives at NATO headquarters, who favored language calling for a transparent, independent and international probe into the killings of Uzbekistan civilians by police and soldiers.
State and Defense department spokesmen, asked to comment about the debate, said that Washington has one policy and that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld — at the ministerial meeting — verbally endorsed previous statements about the incident by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and President Bush.
Other officials said the disagreements between Defense and State officials reflect a continuing rift in the administration over how to handle a breach of human rights that has come under sharp criticism by the State Department, the European Union and some U.S. lawmakers.
Rice has said publicly that international involvement in an inquiry into the killings in Andijan is essential, and she has declined an Uzbek invitation for Washington to send observers to a commission of inquiry controlled by the parliament. Three U.S. officials said Uzbek President Islam Karimov has retaliated against her criticism by recently curtailing certain U.S. military flights into the air base at Karshi-Khanabad, in the country's southeast. The U.S. military considers the base a vital logistics hub in its anti-terrorism efforts.
..regretfully it looks like my analogy maybe a little too good.
"Bush for Life: GOP introduces new bill to Congress"
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/319395.shtml
"Bush for Life: GOP introduces new bill to Congress"
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/319395.shtml
More leftcoast ahm sorry westcoast BS.
I suggest some reading on " How to amend the US constitution".
It takes 2/3 of both the senate and the house and 2/3 of all the states to ratify.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN...I am taking any bets you want to offer.
I suggest some reading on " How to amend the US constitution".
It takes 2/3 of both the senate and the house and 2/3 of all the states to ratify.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN...I am taking any bets you want to offer.
Exactly. It always cracks me up when people say, "Yeah, Hitler was a bad guy, but look what he did for the German economy". The reality is that Hitler crushed the trade unions, had small business absorbed by state supervised corporations, expanded the work week in some industries upwards of eighty hours, reduced international trade to a trickle to provide only the most essential items, restricted production and availability of basic consumer goods, and poured most of research and production into the military. In the years before the war the Nazi government was spending twice what it was generating in revenues. Hitler had painted himself into a corner to where he had to absorb and eventually invade other countries to loot them of their resources before the German economy collasped.langeweile said:
[TOV channeling Truncador] Oh yes, my friend ... Hitler did wonderful things for the German economy. And Mussolini, ahem ... it's quite well-known that he made the trains run on time. Can you imagine if ordinary German or Italian people had been in charge? Tsk, tsk.[/TOV channeling Truncador]Asterix said:
You need to adjust the settings on your channelling apparatus. Both Hitler and Mussolini were radical populist rabble-rousers, the polar opposite of responsible conservative men of State (which they loathed and despised). In contemporary terms, both may be regarded as less oafish versions of Hugo Chavez, or less comical versions of Howard DeanTOVisitor said:
Everyone ... heil, er hail, to the Chimp
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In comparison with Chavez and Dean, Hitler and Mussolini were responsible statesmen. They rose to incredible heights, even dictating to the appeasist losers what the European map should look like and trading States for threats. Chavez would never have rose above the position of Gauleuter, even in the flakiest district of Germany (well, maybe in the mental hospital district). As for Dean, well someone who screamed his way out of a primary speaks for himself.
Tom, I have terrible news for you.Peeping Tom said:
A colossal idiot has stolen your handle and is posting absolute, utter, fascist-loving nonsense under your good name.
Please be more careful with your handle and your password in the future.
Your fan.
TOV
There's no denying that both Hitler and Mussolini were great men from an age of great men. In many ways, they were arguably victims of fortune, which happened to place them in a historical configuration out of which no happy ending could have possibly emerged (caught in a morbid nexus of, variously, the age of socialism at its peak, the extreme political immaturity of both Italy and Germany, the persistence of extremely backwards cultural values articulated to modern values in the worst possible way, etc.). Look at Hitler's Mein Kampf. Scattered throughout the demented inventory of populist and socialist rubbish are utterly brilliant political analyses of subjects ranging from systemic corruption in Parliamentary systems (which deserve to be carefully read by Canadians in particular), the nature of authority in mass movements, geopolitics, the nature of the Left and the inherent limitations of traditional conservatism in effectively opposing it, and many others. Had he been born in America during the Baby Boom, instead of being caught up in the web of pathology that was his Germany, and handled properly (namely converted to neo-conservatism at an early age), he could have been a wonderful leader- maybe as great as Bush Jr. or even Reagan.
You are being silly right?Truncador said:
Hitler and Mussolini were madmen NOT great men!
Soooo ...what you are really saying Hitler and Mussolini along with Bush Jr. and Reagan were all madmen !!!........
ah guys................................
Certain people who have been told what their opinions about the world are suppose to be will find this post offensive! Now I believe there are NO taboo subjects in human history. Bush is simply confused and obvious! But the problem with Adolph Hitler is simply that he led the Axis powers who lost the second world war! If you ask most so called educated people about Hitler they will repeat what they have read in standardize textbooks or American docudramas! Then the chorus of 'Hitler the evil' will begin! But he is slowly being replaced by Osama Binladen! Never mind Stalin who killed twenty million of his own people, Pol Pot and his 2 million, King Leopold's 10 million in Zaire (then Belgian Congo)and the Rawandan tribal conflict in which 1 million lives were lost in a three month period! The loss of lives,list of leaders and conflicts under their rule never ends! Back to Hitler whether you consider him good or evil the choice is the individuals. Personally I know that in the end he got his wish....a united Europe. We just do not call it 'Germania".........yet!
Certain people who have been told what their opinions about the world are suppose to be will find this post offensive! Now I believe there are NO taboo subjects in human history. Bush is simply confused and obvious! But the problem with Adolph Hitler is simply that he led the Axis powers who lost the second world war! If you ask most so called educated people about Hitler they will repeat what they have read in standardize textbooks or American docudramas! Then the chorus of 'Hitler the evil' will begin! But he is slowly being replaced by Osama Binladen! Never mind Stalin who killed twenty million of his own people, Pol Pot and his 2 million, King Leopold's 10 million in Zaire (then Belgian Congo)and the Rawandan tribal conflict in which 1 million lives were lost in a three month period! The loss of lives,list of leaders and conflicts under their rule never ends! Back to Hitler whether you consider him good or evil the choice is the individuals. Personally I know that in the end he got his wish....a united Europe. We just do not call it 'Germania".........yet!
I don't buy into the theory that you can be seriously mentally ill and rise from being a complete nobody to conquering all of Europe. What traits of madness Hitler and Mussolini displayed are attributable to their populist politics, which encourages and in fact requires leaders to act in flamboyantly irrational and/or homicidal ways (cult of heroic, spontaneous action carried out with absolutely no regard for the consequences; denunciation of prudence, conservatism, and restraint as signs of cowardice and decadence; legitimation of authority by personal charisma, which involves doing things like invading other countries and declaring war on America to prove what a heroic tough guy the leader is). Such madness is social, and not neurological, in origin.WoodPeckr said:
