If only there had been an alternate route for that Charger out of the congestion of the city core that day. Would there even be a reason to reference it today?
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Induced demand, building more highways only means more car and more traffic jams. The best way to move the mass amount of people is public transportation. Amsterdam got it right.
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Terb: "John Tory was an excellent Mayor"
Also Terb: "Toronto is unsafe, expensive, has horrible traffic, disintegrating roads, the worst transit system, overpopulated, weak economically, lack jobs, no housing, too many bums/panhandlers/drug addicts and has no direction."
Also Terb: "Toronto is unsafe, expensive, has horrible traffic, disintegrating roads, the worst transit system, overpopulated, weak economically, lack jobs, no housing, too many bums/panhandlers/drug addicts and has no direction."
I wonder if we could elect a new, left and strong mayor to change the Gardiner plan.
Other Terb: John Tory was a lousy mayor, just much better than the alternatives who are currently talking about running.
Comedy writes itself, we live in a circus now days.
We have Trump, Biden, Trudeau as clowns and we even have balloons.
I didn't claim that The Eaton Center (TEC) is an outlet mall. The only ones that I'm aware that are close to Toronto proper are Vaughn Mills, Toronto Premium Oulets in Halton, and Dixie Outlet Mall in Mississauga. FYI, stores in an outlet mall usually have "factory store" or "outlet" in their name e.g. Adidas Outlet, Tommy Hilfiger Outlet, Gap Factory Store, etc. Therefore, TEC, Square One, Sherway Gardens, Scarborough Town Centre, Markville, Fairview, etc. are not outlet malls by definition.
Yes, TEC has a number of higher end businesses like Apple, Harry Rosen, Nordstrom and others. Yet it also has many mainstream stores like Gap, Old Navy, H&M, Shoppers Drug Mart, The Bay, etc that you would find at most other major malls. You are right that TEC is unique that it is very well served by transit. I didn't know that most of their parking spaces are rented to the tenants of the Cadillac Fairview Tower. Not quite sure how you know that specific info. Maybe the office tenants at TEC are partially subsidizing the mall or maybe not. None of us are really going to know either way.
How do you know that the people that shop at The Eaton Centre are not as price sensitive vs most other businesses? Did you conduct a survey of the tens maybe hundreds of thousands of people that go through that place in a year?
Where did you get the crazy idea that sports events downtown need to be "affordable?" Sports teams are businesses and they charge whatever they want including the crazy expensive food, drink and merch. A "cheap" Raps ticket is over $150 each at the back. Leafs tickets are always ridiculously expensive. It could easily cost a couple $400 to $500 just on the tickets. Not exactly "affordable." Toronto FC and Jays tickets are cheaper, but they are nowhere near as popular as the others. Having said that, taking a family of four to Jays game could get quite expensive after the tickets, food, parking / transit, etc.
I never said that we should keep people on the street and panhandling. Moving homeless people out to the suburbs and hoping for the best is not a good strategy either. If a person ends up on the street there are other issues like addiction that have to be dealt with first before they can sustain just a menial job. Which low skill jobs outside the city are you referring to exactly? Pouring coffee at Tim's? Those jobs have been disappearing for years because of automation. Even a garbage collector or janitor requires some experience.
If you're an employer looking for people, would you honeslty hire someone that has no skills, was homelesss for years and maybe has a record? Maybe there are a few that won't care, but I think that most employers would not hire that person.
It certainly is "common sense" to move homeless people to less expensive areas where they can find "low-skilled jobs." Ask yourself why we've never done that? Why do you think the "workfare" model has never worked for decades in many cities?
The reason we haven't built subsidized or public housing in "chepaer areas" is because they don't want them there. Does it make sense to you that Burlington to build subsidized housing or shelters and then accept Toronto's homeless population? There's nothing wrong with being a NIMBY on this issue BTW, and I think most people are like that deep down. At the same time, we've tried the "workfare" model you're proposing for decades and it's never worked.
He said he lives near the Gardiner and can see how the traffic changes through the day. My office also overlooks it and I can see the difference between sections West and East of Jarvis. We're talking about just that small section and not the whole thing.
Having said that, our personal observations can't give us an accurate picture of what's really going on with traffic. There are plenty of tools that can tells us what the conditions are: Google Maps, CP24, 680 News, and even the City's own RESCU system:
Road Restrictions & Closures
Keeping traffic moving is an important priority. The City has developed a number of programs and initiatives aimed at helping you get around Toronto’s streets safely and effectively.
www.toronto.ca
I'm willing to bet that the section East of Jarvis frequently has less traffic than the West and it's like that for most of the day. That makes total sense too because I don't think there are any major companies or destinations to the East of Jarvis.
I'm not proposing workfare. I'm proposing to move the workforce to where the work is.
The DVP is east of Jarvis. That's where people are going to or coming from, for the most part. Don't kid yourself, there is plenty of volume.He said he lives near the Gardiner and can see how the traffic changes through the day. My office also overlooks it and I can see the difference between sections West and East of Jarvis. We're talking about just that small section and not the whole thing.
Having said that, our personal observations can't give us an accurate picture of what's really going on with traffic. There are plenty of tools that can tells us what the conditions are: Google Maps, CP24, 680 News, and even the City's own RESCU system:
Road Restrictions & Closures
Keeping traffic moving is an important priority. The City has developed a number of programs and initiatives aimed at helping you get around Toronto’s streets safely and effectively.
I'm willing to bet that the section East of Jarvis frequently has less traffic than the West and it's like that for most of the day. That makes total sense too because I don't think there are any major companies or destinations to the East of Jarvis.
Maybe I misread you, but your suggestion sounds like workfare to me. You said that you want to provide free or low cost housing to people that neeed it to re-enter society i.e. homeless people. The homeless have virtually no marketable skills, which is part of the reason why they are in that state. Moving them to another section of the GTA even if there is free housing won't solve thier underlying addiction issues. I make the point again that most people are NIMBY's and would not tolerate a homeless shelter in their community for fear of disturbances, crime, and potential to lose property values. I can admit that I am one of those people especailly if the homeless are sitting around on the street being disruptive, smoking weed, shooting up, rifling through the trash, pissing on the street, etc. I do think some might be receptive to a shelter in their area if they can see that those people actually getting help and back on their feet.
What qualifies as "low-skilled" work to you? The only ones that come to my mind are restuarant and retail workers, cleaners, garbage collectors, delivery people, etc. On the other hand, even those jobs still require some skills. Perhaps you're talking about warehouse work, but there are few if any of those in Toronto proper. Amazon doesn't even operate in the city.
Anabrandy and I never said that there is no volume on that stretch of the Gardiner. We said that there is a different amount of volume on the Western vs Eastern sections and we can see it from above. Things look a lot different up high vs what you see at street level.
That's why I posted a link to the city's camera system so you can see for yourself.
This was the traffic conditions tonight at about 5pm. Sure enough, the higher traffic volume shown in dark red is on the Westbound lanes near Sherbourne and Jarvis Street. While the Eastbound traffic on the Gardiner and DVP shown in orange has less. No surprise that it's bad today because of the weather.
Here's a screenshot from last night around the same time. Sure enough, it shows basically the same traffic volume.
The morning commute will show the red lines in the Eastbound lanes just before Jarvis / Sherbourne.
That's why we think that spending $1B or much more on the hybrid option is a bad use of resources. That section simply does not have the traffic volume as the Western section. We already made that point many times.
I do understand that any option we pick (hybrid or demolition) will cause traffic chaos. That's unavoidable with a project like this.
I came here looking if the Toronto Sun has interviewed that 30-something fox who got an erection out of our ex-75 year year old mayor and instead people are talking about traffic cameras 
MP was right - TERB has lost its mojo
MP was right - TERB has lost its mojo
I came here looking if the Toronto Sun has interviewed that 30-something fox who got an erection out of our ex-75 year year old mayor and instead people are talking about traffic cameras
MP was right - TERB has lost its mojo
The face you make when you check CP24 - what the ACTUAL HELL happened in Toronto last nightI came here looking if the Toronto Sun has interviewed that 30-something fox who got an erection out of our ex-75 year year old mayor and instead people are talking about traffic cameras
MP was right - TERB has lost its mojo
