Bradley Manning - Decision
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You are wrong.Just a correction. There were no loyal Americans in the colonies in 1777. There were only disloyal Americans.
Even if you said after 1783 you would still be wrong since a number of Loyalists remained in the United States after the war.
OK, true. It did take them time to migrate.You are wrong.
Even if you said after 1783 you would still be wrong since a number of Loyalists remained in the United States after the war.
However aside from Arnold there were no loyal Americans in the militias.
The concept of loyal American isn't well defined until 1783. They were all traitors before that.
Try telling that to John Graves Simcoe who as a Lieutenant Colonel was the commanding officer of the (Loyalist) Queen's Rangers.The concept of loyal American isn't well defined until 1783. They were all traitors before that.
http://ve.torontopubliclibrary.ca/collected_works/pictures_green_simcoe.html
http://www.royalprovincial.com/military/rlist/rlist.htm
I doubt he considered himself American.Try telling that to John Graves Simcoe who as a Lieutenant Colonel was the commanding officer of the (Loyalist) Queen's Rangers.
http://ve.torontopubliclibrary.ca/collected_works/pictures_green_simcoe.html
http://www.royalprovincial.com/military/rlist/rlist.htm
I doubt you are paying attention to either the Manning case or to this.I doubt he considered himself American.
While you guys are busy arguing semantics, the right wing marches on taking away your freedoms.
The UK is implementing Chinese style internet filtering, on the excuse they are filtering porn.
While they are also busy stopping people for being brown.
http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/newsflash-uk-border-agency-id-checking-people-of-colour-at-train-stations/
And 'traitor' Snowden releases information showing that the NSA can search through your emails, web searches, online chats or pretty much anything you've done online with only your email address.
Its time to consider that everything you say on this board can and will be linked to your name by the government.
The UK is implementing Chinese style internet filtering, on the excuse they are filtering porn.
http://boingboing.net/2013/07/31/great-firewall-of-cameron-goes.htmlGreat Firewall of Cameron goes mandatory, ISPs required to buy magic no-false-positive beans, as well
While they are also busy stopping people for being brown.
http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/newsflash-uk-border-agency-id-checking-people-of-colour-at-train-stations/
And 'traitor' Snowden releases information showing that the NSA can search through your emails, web searches, online chats or pretty much anything you've done online with only your email address.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data"I, sitting at my desk," said Snowden, could "wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the president, if I had a personal email".
Its time to consider that everything you say on this board can and will be linked to your name by the government.
Explain why you would think a British born officer in Upper Canada should be considered an American?!I doubt you are paying attention to either the Manning case or to this.
simcoe, born in england, and a british officer- did command the queen's rangers (loyalists in the 13 colonies) during the war of independenceI doubt he considered himself American.
Shall I put it this way Fuji, just what do you think John Graves Simcoe was doing during the Revolution and where was he doing it. Perhaps, just perhaps do you think that played a significant role in why he was subsequently appointed Governor of Upper Canada.Explain why you would think a British born officer in Upper Canada should be considered an American?!
However, the real point was that you said "The concept of loyal American isn't well defined until 1783. They were all traitors before that."
To which I replied "Try telling that to John Graves Simcoe who as a Lieutenant Colonel was the commanding officer of the (Loyalist) Queen's Rangers."
If you had looked at the second link I provided in #44 you would have seen that there were even the following Loyalist Regiments (during the Revolution): The Loyal American Regiment, The Loyal American Rangers, and The Loyal American Association.
Presumably you know in John Adams famous phrasing that a third of the people were Patriots, a third of the people were Loyalists and a third of the people were neutral.
However, although Governor Simcoe would doubtless be horrified at your support of someone that he would have hanged, let us return to the topic at hand.
In the first link in #44 he is in his uniform as Regimental Colonel.simcoe, born in england, and a british officer- did command the queen's rangers (loyalists in the 13 colonies) during the war of independence
For those who don't know about this, note that he is not in Infantry Scarlet, but rather as were most Provincial (Loyalist) Regiments in Green.
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Top 10 Ways Manning changed the world.
http://www.juancole.comBradley Manning will be sentenced today, having been found guilty of 20 counts on Tuesday, including espionage (despite the lack of evidence for intent to spy and the lack of evidence that his leaking ever did any real harm). Whatever one thinks of Manning’s actions, that we deserved to know some of what he revealed and that his revelations changed the world are undeniable.
1. Manning revealed the Collateral Murder video of a helicopter attack in Iraq on mostly unarmed non-combatants (though some of those struck may have been armed), including two Reuters journalists, whose cameras were taken for weapons, and children. The army maintains that the video does not show wrongdoing, but the killing of unarmed journalists is a war crime, and the callousness of video gives an idea of what was going on in Iraq during the years of the US occupation. When the Bush administration asked the Iraqi parliament for permission to keep a base in the country, the parliamentarians said, absolutely not. The US military was forced to withdraw from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011.
2. Manning revealed the full extent of the corruption of Tunisian dictator Zine El Abidin Ben Ali, adding fuel to the youth protest movement of late 2010, which translated the relevant US cables into Arabic. Manning contributed to the outbreak of powerful youth movements demanding more democratic governance in the Arab world.
3. Manning revealed to the US and Yemeni publics the secret drone war that Washington was waging in that country. That the cables show then dictator Ali Abdallah Saleh acquiescing in the US strikes on his country probably played into the movement to remove him as president, which succeeded in early 2012.
4. He revealed that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered US diplomats to spy on their United Nations counterparts. The UN spy requests included cables that “demanded detailed intelligence on the UN leadership including forensic detail about their communications systems, including passwords and personal encryption keys,” foreshadowing later revelations of extensive US spying on even allies like Germany via the NSA.
5. His leaks show that then Senator John Kerry pressed Israel to be open to returning the Golan Heights to Syria as part of a peace negotiation. This item suggests that Kerry might be more of an honest broker in the current negotiations than some observers give him credit for.
6. Revealed that Afghanistan government corruption is “overwhelming”. This degree of corruption, which has shaken the whole banking system and caused US funds to be massively misused, is still a factor in our decision of whether to stay in Afghanistan in some capacity after December 2014. The US public is in a better position to judge the issue with these documents available.
7. Manning revealed the degree of authoritarianism and corruption of the Egyptian government of Hosni Mubarak, which was subsequently swept away.
8. Manning revealed that hard-nosed realist, former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, was against striking Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities because it would only slow their program down slightly, but would inevitably cause Iranians to be angry and mobilized in the aftermath.
9. Manning revealed that the Israeli authorities had a secret plan to keep the Palestinian population of Gaza on the brink of food insecurity and poor health, in among the creepiest military operations in history: “Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis.”
10. Manning’s act of courage encouraged hackers to leak the emails of Bashar al-Assad and his wife, showing their jewelry buys in Europe and gilded style of life while al-Assad’s artillery was pounding Homs and other cities with no regard for the lives of noncombatants. In fact, Manning inspired numerous leakers, including some who blew the whistle on PLO corruption and willingness to give away most of Jerusalem to Israel, and, likely, Edward Snowden, who revealed to us that our government has us all under surveillance.
An outstanding basis for a conviction and a long sentence.
Are you just saying that because you know everything you type here could be used against you and you now have to pretend to like government spying, or do you really support helping the government hide corruption, law breaking and war crimes?An outstanding basis for a conviction and a long sentence.
I am aware that publishing my thoughts on the internet brings certain risks. I am willing to stand with my words in front of any tribunal if push comes to shove. You may feel the need to hide in the shadows, I do not.Are you just saying that because you know everything you type here could be used against you and you now have to pretend to like government spying, or do you really support helping the government hide corruption, law breaking and war crimes?
As usual you lie and create false dichotomies. Based on that article, his releasing confidential information about Kerry's approach to middle east peace which he wished to remain confidential could reduce the chances of an Israeli Palestinian peace. But that is not something you want. In the real world there are reasons things are kept confidential and secret.
The video of what you call a "war crime" (what a surprise you think everything the US does is war crime) does not disclose a war crime at all. It discloses an error, they happen in wars. But you, as usual, want to make everything (except Palis shooting at civilians) a war crime.
And yes I can understand why a national government wants videos of its weapons systems in use in the field confidential.
As usual you are both dishonest and confused.
Groggy, for the scenarios you apparently wish to believe in to come true you have to also believe that all the checks and balances built up through centuries in the Anglo-American-Canadian system of Common Law and further the provisions of the U.S. Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are about to be utterly overturned.
I truly see no signs of that happening.
I truly see no signs of that happening.
The irony, in light of this thread, of those posters who like to pull the “you live in the U.S.A.” card.
Aardvark, U.E.
Aardvark, U.E.
I have no desire to see the continuing erosion of freedoms to continue. The only scenarios I want to come to pass are a return to the attitude Trudeau articulated so well so long ago, 'the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation', nor in the computers, email, phone calls, google searches, environmental groups, constitutional groups... or anyone else listed on the Harper 'enemy' list. We probably haven't gotten that far, though reports are similar here, and we don't have a Canadian Snowden yet, but all I'm advocating is that the US and Canadian governments respect the privacy of the individual.Groggy, for the scenarios you apparently wish to believe in to come true you have to also believe that all the checks and balances built up through centuries in the Anglo-American-Canadian system of Common Law and further the provisions of the U.S. Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are about to be utterly overturned.
I truly see no signs of that happening.
I have no desire for a new McCarthy era, unlike you.
The Judge in the Manning trial, Colonel Lind, has ruled that some of the sentences should be merged, hence Prisoner Manning now faces a maximum sentence of 90 years rather than 136 years.
She has also favoured the Defence in that she will not allow as aggravation evidence that the Taliban apparently used WikiLeaks information to track down an enemy in Afghanistan and kill him.
She has also favoured the Defence in that she will not allow as aggravation evidence that the Taliban apparently used WikiLeaks information to track down an enemy in Afghanistan and kill him.
