Blue Jays: 2016 Edition

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This is another example of how a story with no merit to it turns into something way bigger than what it is. All this was, was that some writer said they would be a good fit because they are right handed power bats and with Ortiz most likely retiring, they'll probably want to ad a big bat. Nobody from the actual Red Sox organization has mentioned anything about either one of those two guys. It's amazing how someone comes up with an idea or a thought, and all of a sudden EE, and joey bats are red sox's next year.
Actually EE to sign wit Boston has been around for awhile. I heard this last year. It does make sense because unless they unload say Tulo they may not have th budget for both EE and JB. Remember that Donaldson will have to be signed in the near future and Martin's contract jumps in value. At least Tulo's actually drops later in it.

Now we also lose Dickey's contract this year but don't have much in the minors so back the free agent market we go for another starter.

Personally with Travis I think we have a winner. I still say sign JB and let EE go if the price is wrong.
 

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Alright, we beat Bostons best Price and the Bosox have lost 3 in a row. That should set off some panic in bean town.

Great all round game, Dickey was awesome, Travis 2 run HR, Edwing upto 44 RBIs, and Osuna is amazing.

The next 6 weeks leading into the AS break is when teams decide they will be buyers or sellers heading into the trade deadline.
 

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If you can package up Pompey and Hutch for a valuable reliever, I'm all ears right now
Dalton Pompey was rushed through the system by the previous front office, you don't trade away speed on the bases.

Shapeyero has made it clear that he's giving Pompey time to perfect his batting, he's the last player the Jays would trade away.

The Big Dick is fed up with being the sacrificial lamb and took matters into his own hands. The knuckler danced like Baryshnikov yesterday.
 
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Actually EE to sign wit Boston has been around for awhile. I heard this last year. It does make sense because unless they unload say Tulo they may not have th budget for both EE and JB. Remember that Donaldson will have to be signed in the near future and Martin's contract jumps in value. At least Tulo's actually drops later in it.

Now we also lose Dickey's contract this year but don't have much in the minors so back the free agent market we go for another starter.

Personally with Travis I think we have a winner. I still say sign JB and let EE go if the price is wrong.
Actually JD isn't a free agent until 2019, 3 years is a long way in my mind.

I'm not saying that EE to Boston doesn't make sense, and yes that rumor has been around since last year ever since Ortiz announced this was probably going to be his last year. What I'm saying is, it's still just a rumor, and it's a rumor because some writer puts it in the paper that it would makes sense, and all of a sudden that's where probably where JB or EE end up. Nobody other than Dave Dombrowski know's what Boston plans on doing.
 

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There is another factor I believe when it comes to JB as well. He is, well, one of the more hated men in Baseball. Don't get me wrong, any team would like to have a guy like that. But in Toronto he is the Big Fish in our pond. Going to another team he would have to put up big numbers to justify a contract. And be under scrutiny. Without the history and good will he has built up with Toronto fans.

I realize JD is a few years away from Free Agency. But I want to lock him in before then. He is that damn valuable. Both as a player and as a leader.

I'm pretty sure that we will resign him. EE I think wants and deserves at least 15 per. But the team can't afford it all.
 

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Dalton Pompey was rushed through the system by the previous front office, you don't trade away speed on the bases
All the speed in the world isnt gonna help you if you can't hit.

I'm not so sure Pompey will ever develop into a major league hitter
 

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There is another factor I believe when it comes to JB as well. He is, well, one of the more hated men in Baseball. Don't get me wrong, any team would like to have a guy like that. But in Toronto he is the Big Fish in our pond. Going to another team he would have to put up big numbers to justify a contract. And be under scrutiny. Without the history and good will he has built up with Toronto fans.

I realize JD is a few years away from Free Agency. But I want to lock him in before then. He is that damn valuable. Both as a player and as a leader.

I'm pretty sure that we will resign him. EE I think wants and deserves at least 15 per. But the team can't afford it all.
EE won't consider anything under $20 million per season, also the Jays have only offered him 2 yrs. EE wants 4 minimum.
 

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EE won't consider anything under $20 million per season, also the Jays have only offered him 2 yrs. EE wants 4 minimum.

I find it absolutely amazing that so many teams are still willing to dole out the money for long term deals when you can see how bad they hand cuff your club. Even the mighty Yankees have come out and said they're gonna start being a lot more careful and fiscally responsible. After locking up Mark Texeira, CC Sabathia and A-roid, that's a lot of money on guys that aren't putting up very good numbers. (in Texeira case it's just this year but he missed almost all of 2013 due to injury)

The angels can't sign anybody thanks to Albert Pujols. Justin Verlander has screwed up the tigers payroll. Then you take a team like K.C with such a middle of the pack and much more payroll with much more flexability, and they win the whole thing.

Tampa bay for years had good teams with a tiny payroll.

In fact, before Dave Dombroski got to Boston, they made it clear that they wouldn't spend any big money on Pitchers over the age of 33 or 34 I think because their research showed that pitchers really fall of the map after that age.

Going to be interesting to see where the market goes.
 
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EE won't consider anything under $20 million per season, also the Jays have only offered him 2 yrs. EE wants 4 minimum.
He is 33 and has a bit if a history of back and hand issues. As well he is a basically now a DH.

I will say the free agent market is weak this year so he will have a bit of a leg up but I think he is going to be disappointed with the offers.
 

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There is another factor I believe when it comes to JB as well. He is, well, one of the more hated men in Baseball. I realize JD is a few years away from Free Agency. But I want to lock him in before then. He is that damn valuable. Both as a player and as a leader.

I'm pretty sure that we will resign him. EE I think wants and deserves at least 15 per. But the team can't afford it all.
Inaccurate, hated by some beloved by others. Bryce Harper thinks he is the best player in the majors. He's is also a member of the negotiating committee within the MLBPA. And without him the Jays as a unit would disintegrate.
 

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Inaccurate, hated by some beloved by others. Bryce Harper thinks he is the best player in the majors. He's is also a member of the negotiating committee within the MLBPA. And without him the Jays as a unit would disintegrate.
Speaking of Harper, the Nats are trying to get him to sign an extension that will buy out a few of his FA yrs. much like they did with Strasburg but Harper is showing no signs of interest. One reporter asked Harper if he will be the first $400 million baseball player and Harper replied " your selling me short". Of course having Scott Boras as his agent will see him hit FA demanding an astronomical contract.
 

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If teams don't offer big money, they will be accused of collusion.

Who cares? That's the players union's problem.

I would think half the teams in the leagues want put an end to the crazy contracts for there own survival. The league needs parity. It's not healthy for the league to have teams like L.A with a payroll of 246 million and Milwaukee to have 64 million.

The CBA expires at the end of this year so we'll what happens.
 

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This is another example of how a story with no merit to it turns into something way bigger than what it is. All this was, was that some writer said they would be a good fit because they are right handed power bats and with Ortiz most likely retiring, they'll probably want to ad a big bat. Nobody from the actual Red Sox organization has mentioned anything about either one of those two guys. It's amazing how someone comes up with an idea or a thought, and all of a sudden EE, and joey bats are red sox's next year.
If I was in my last year I would resign in spring training as long as the Jays came anywhere close to my value as there are 3 possibilities

1 I have a great year - I lose as I could have got more so I get a contract that awards me for outstanding year IE more if I am in running for MVP etc

2 I have a bad year then I have a better contract than I would have got

3 Most importantly, I get serious injury then I have won big time

Players all want extended contract in their last years (who would not) and Jays say no but I say go for guarantee as in two years you be in same position and unless you completely lose it you will still get another 2 years as DH somewhere

Jays are serious about winning so the number of clubs in same winning position are limited anyways
 

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If I was in my last year I would resign in spring training as long as the Jays came anywhere close to my value as there are 3 possibilities

1 I have a great year - I lose as I could have got more so I get a contract that awards me for outstanding year IE more if I am in running for MVP etc

2 I have a bad year then I have a better contract than I would have got

3 Most importantly, I get serious injury then I have won big time

Players all want extended contract in their last years (who would not) and Jays say no but I say go for guarantee as in two years you be in same position and unless you completely lose it you will still get another 2 years as DH somewhere

Jays are serious about winning so the number of clubs in same winning position are limited anyways

last year there were a lot of guys who didn't get signed until late. They all eventually got signed, but teams are definitely showing more resistance. Part of the issue will be how many other big UFA's are also on the market.
 

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Who cares? That's the players union's problem.

I would think half the teams in the leagues want put an end to the crazy contracts for there own survival. The league needs parity. It's not healthy for the league to have teams like L.A with a payroll of 246 million and Milwaukee to have 64 million.

The CBA expires at the end of this year so we'll what happens.

Pro sports are a oligopoly and unions are a monopoly so they price gouge way above true market value
 
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