GOP voted against the wall? Spin that tale again, I must have missed it. Any Repug who voted against the wall would have been kicked out...
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That's not the point, I said Illinois was worse and it is. After this gerrymandering. They will have a 15-3 advantage in the HOR. Florida is 16-11 for the GOP right now.
We really don't need to offer our subjective and biased opinions on this topic. We can use our own eyes. You jumped to present Florida as an example of abhorrent Republican gerrymandering. I countered Illinois. I even posted the maps.
No offense, but I'm guessing you read an article about DeSantis and the Florida Republican's redistricting and thought that was a fairly final word on the subject.
I would like to see a source for this. Instinctively, I question how they quantify how many people are here illegally. Many of the illegal immigrants who cross the Southern border are not stopping to register their entry with the U.S. government.
Most illegal immigrants in the US enter legally and overstay their visas.
That has been the pattern for several years, but the last data is published publicly is probably several years old now. DHS might have something if you want to look.
Does that mean it is true every year? Probably not.
As for how they make estimates, the DHS probably has that in their annual reports as well, since these things usually cover methodology.
I suspect their are some third party researchers also studying it.
I am not sure what metric you are using to say that it is "worse". There is no indication that the new map was done for overtly political reasons. in the case of Florida DeSantis overruled a bipartisan map and imposed his own for purely and overtly political motives.
From Wiki : Since 2007, visa overstays have accounted for a larger share of the growth in the illegal immigrant population than illegal border crossings
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I wouldn't get my economic information from the New York Times. It's kind of like a middle age man staring too long at cheerleaders..The U.S. Economy Is Booming. So Why Are Economists Worrying About a Recession?
There is little sign that a recession is imminent. But sky-high demand and supply shortages are testing the economy’s limits.www.nytimes.com
I do know that the 1st quarter GDP declined. A decline this quarter would officially define the U.S. economy in recession.
We could revisit all the things going on in the economy and the world, but we might be in a recession.
I'm sorry not much help. There is no context without citing a link.
We're getting off track. I was just curious. In any event, I have known people who have overstayed visas and have been deported. They were acquaintances. It wasn't like someone came in the dark of the night and rousted them out of bed.
It makes for glib rhetoric, but the U.S. does take overstaying visas seriously. Many immigrants follow the rules and go through the process.
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You do understand logic, n'est pas?
DeSantis can be a world-class gerrymanderer and so can the Illinois Democrats. They are not mutually exclusive.
Now if DeSantis said "I am the greatest gerrymanderer in the United States. Greater than even those Democratic party hacks in Illinois", you might have something there.
LOL. As it happens I understand logic and French, however, I am starting to question your ability to understand English. The state legislatures are charged with drawing the electoral maps which they did in Florida in a bipartisan manner. DeSantis then overruled that bipartisan map and imposed his own for overtly political objectives. Not really hard to understand but you seem to be having difficulty.
Did you not read the article? The map indicates 2 districts that were Republican have now been changed to the point where they are now a majority of the voters are Democrats, so yes was done for political reasons. Why else would they change it? DeSantis overruled a bipartisan map. The Democrats in Illinois changed it on their own without bipartisan support.
You seem to have myopically locked in on DeSantis simply because he exercised his lawful right to veto a redistricting map. (And most likely you were stirred up by a headline.) Okay, so the end result was no Democrat voted for the map. However, you just choose to ignore the Illinois map which has no Republican support.
Additionally, DeSantis was transparent and said exactly why he put forth a different map. When Governor Pritzker of Illinois campaigned he said that he would veto a gerrymandered Congressional map. Of course, he broke his campaign promise.
You are applying selective ethical outrage. You don't like Republicans so you can clearly see their partisan ways, but you seem to be wearing rose colored glasses looking at Democrats.
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Let's do a little fun arithmetic.
Illinois 18 Congressional seats (15 Democratic-leaning after redistricting).
Applying Illinois' 58% (rounding up) Presidential vote for the Democrat we get 18 x .58 = 10.44 seats
Illinois Democrats' gerrymandering creates a 3.56 seat pick-up for the Democrats.
Florida 27 Congressional seats (16 Republican-leaning seats after redistricting)
Applying Florida 51.22% Presidential vote for the Republican we get 27 x .5122 = 13.82 seats
Florida Republicans' gerrymandering creates a 2.12 seat pick-up for the Republicans.
For a bit more mathematical fun, the IL Dems' 3.56 pick-up is a 19.78% gain on 18 seats. FL Republicans' 2.12 pick-up is a 7.85% gain on 27 seats.
Illinois 18 Congressional seats (15 Democratic-leaning after redistricting).
Applying Illinois' 58% (rounding up) Presidential vote for the Democrat we get 18 x .58 = 10.44 seats
Illinois Democrats' gerrymandering creates a 3.56 seat pick-up for the Democrats.
Florida 27 Congressional seats (16 Republican-leaning seats after redistricting)
Applying Florida 51.22% Presidential vote for the Republican we get 27 x .5122 = 13.82 seats
Florida Republicans' gerrymandering creates a 2.12 seat pick-up for the Republicans.
For a bit more mathematical fun, the IL Dems' 3.56 pick-up is a 19.78% gain on 18 seats. FL Republicans' 2.12 pick-up is a 7.85% gain on 27 seats.
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So are you for or against gerrymandering?
Is it only ok when your party does it?
You may be correct or it may be that the demographic make up of the districts changed. i have no idea. that in and of itself is not evidence of a political motive. I am not excusing Dems who also use gerrymandering. That still does not compare to a governor overruling a bipartisan map. That is quite different and DeSantis made no secret of his motives.
