Pls watch on net flicks and sign the petition online- & the Cove on youtube (fair warning, very graphic content) notable causes, pls sign the petitions to end dolphin captivity & slaughter
*thank you*
*thank you*
"Blackfish" movement
- Thread starter Samantha Jones
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the Cove doc faced accusations of racism
http://dylanxpowell.com/2013/09/01/...to-know-about-the-cove-on-japan-dolphins-day/
3. No One Slaughters Other Animal Species on the Size and Scale of Western Nations - Although many dolphin advocates draw an arbitrary line between marine mammals and domesticated farm animals there can be no moral high ground for “Western” nations who clearly have no regard for other sentient life. This typically is used as a response by the Japanese Government to protect this industry – those in the “West” should be working towards removing this excuse from their lips.
http://tamagawaboat.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/the-cove-a-despicable-propaganda-movie/
http://dylanxpowell.com/2013/09/01/...to-know-about-the-cove-on-japan-dolphins-day/
3. No One Slaughters Other Animal Species on the Size and Scale of Western Nations - Although many dolphin advocates draw an arbitrary line between marine mammals and domesticated farm animals there can be no moral high ground for “Western” nations who clearly have no regard for other sentient life. This typically is used as a response by the Japanese Government to protect this industry – those in the “West” should be working towards removing this excuse from their lips.
http://tamagawaboat.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/the-cove-a-despicable-propaganda-movie/
^^^ And stay away from Sea World and the like. Go watch whales in the wild where they belong. Beautiful animals...
I started a similar thread recently.
It is a tragedy what we humans have done to wild life around the world.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...captivity-End-the-torture&highlight=blackfish
It is a tragedy what we humans have done to wild life around the world.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...captivity-End-the-torture&highlight=blackfish
I had a different reaction to those two documentaries.
With The Cove, I just don't care. Even with the side piece they did on mercury poisoning, I just don't care about the dolphins. Dolphins are swimming, wild NON-ENDANGERED pigs. No more, no less. I have no issues with eating wild boar. The only issue, for me, is that there is a much higher risk of mercury toxicity in marine apex predators due to the way the marine food web works, which concentrates mercury and other toxins much more than land-based food webs.
OTOH, using either dolphins or orcas for entertainment at places like Sea World is just being a dick. You're hurting something for pleasure, not for sustenance. That's where I personally draw the line. I don't demand that others draw the line there, but if you eat any kind of meat at all, you're kind of on shaky ground with respect to the morality of eating dolphins.
Which brings us back to the toxicity issue. Eating any marine apex predator has heavy metal toxicity issues. With the use of coal starting with the industrial revolution, environmental heavy metals are much higher today than they were in the past. Given the marine food web, where everything above the level of "plankton" (and plenty of "plankton", which includes zooplankton which is just a fancy word for "fish, bivalves, and other animals that are still too young and small to be easily seen") is a predator of one kind or the other, heavy metals get concentrated at the high end of that predation. That means tuna, sharks, dolphins, orcas, etc., all have much higher levels of mercury and other heavy metals than cows, chickens, pigs, or goats. I don't know the numbers, but my gut is that eating marine apex predators is equivalent to eating English beef right before the mad cow business came to light. Statistically a very small issue, but the problems if you're that one in a million who gets struck by Creutzfeldt–Jakob or heavy metal poisoning is pretty severe.
That doesn't mean I avoid marine apex predators, but it does mean I'm very careful and spare about indulging. It also means I avoid sushi and raw oysters (which, given their filter feeding, have similar heavy metal issues). Heavy metal + marine parasite issues with eating raw seafood is a bit too much risk for me to accept from food. I'm willing to jump out of airplanes, but the constant nature of food risks are things I'd rather avoid as much as I'm able (and no, I'm not an organic food guy, either, for perspective on how I see the risk of raw seafood: risk from raw seafood >>> risk from GMOs, IMO).
Another side note: "good" tuna is from the strongest, most powerful fish. In other words, the fish that ate the most other fish. That means "good" tuna is going to have higher heavy metal concentrations than other tuna.
It's your choice to how much risk you want to accept to eat that delicious sushi roll.
But you know, be aware of it.
With The Cove, I just don't care. Even with the side piece they did on mercury poisoning, I just don't care about the dolphins. Dolphins are swimming, wild NON-ENDANGERED pigs. No more, no less. I have no issues with eating wild boar. The only issue, for me, is that there is a much higher risk of mercury toxicity in marine apex predators due to the way the marine food web works, which concentrates mercury and other toxins much more than land-based food webs.
OTOH, using either dolphins or orcas for entertainment at places like Sea World is just being a dick. You're hurting something for pleasure, not for sustenance. That's where I personally draw the line. I don't demand that others draw the line there, but if you eat any kind of meat at all, you're kind of on shaky ground with respect to the morality of eating dolphins.
Which brings us back to the toxicity issue. Eating any marine apex predator has heavy metal toxicity issues. With the use of coal starting with the industrial revolution, environmental heavy metals are much higher today than they were in the past. Given the marine food web, where everything above the level of "plankton" (and plenty of "plankton", which includes zooplankton which is just a fancy word for "fish, bivalves, and other animals that are still too young and small to be easily seen") is a predator of one kind or the other, heavy metals get concentrated at the high end of that predation. That means tuna, sharks, dolphins, orcas, etc., all have much higher levels of mercury and other heavy metals than cows, chickens, pigs, or goats. I don't know the numbers, but my gut is that eating marine apex predators is equivalent to eating English beef right before the mad cow business came to light. Statistically a very small issue, but the problems if you're that one in a million who gets struck by Creutzfeldt–Jakob or heavy metal poisoning is pretty severe.
That doesn't mean I avoid marine apex predators, but it does mean I'm very careful and spare about indulging. It also means I avoid sushi and raw oysters (which, given their filter feeding, have similar heavy metal issues). Heavy metal + marine parasite issues with eating raw seafood is a bit too much risk for me to accept from food. I'm willing to jump out of airplanes, but the constant nature of food risks are things I'd rather avoid as much as I'm able (and no, I'm not an organic food guy, either, for perspective on how I see the risk of raw seafood: risk from raw seafood >>> risk from GMOs, IMO).
Another side note: "good" tuna is from the strongest, most powerful fish. In other words, the fish that ate the most other fish. That means "good" tuna is going to have higher heavy metal concentrations than other tuna.
It's your choice to how much risk you want to accept to eat that delicious sushi roll.
But you know, be aware of it.
I feel the same way about humans.
There are 7 billion NON-ENDANGERED human pigs on this planet. Too many. Way more than dolphins or whales.
I wouldn't choose to, but I wouldn't keep others from doing so. Which was the entire point of The Cove documentary: telling other people how to live.
A dog is no smarter than a pig, and neither is a dolphin. Have you seen footage of pigs at a slaughterhouse? The pigs are smart enough to know they're about to be killed. They squeal, they scream, they fight to keep from being killed.
But bacon is delicious.
That people HERE of all places, especially at this time, choose to petition for laws to prevent other people form living their lives as they choose to live their lives in eating a non-endangered animal, strikes me as... interesting, to say the least.
I don't choose to eat dog. Or dolphin. I don't choose to enjoy entertainment such as offered at SeaWorld. I'm also not saying anyone should write laws to prevent it, other than enforcing workplace safety laws already in place for facilities like SeaWorld. Because that's where this is. You are placing YOUR feelings regarding animals above someone ELSE'S feeling regarding animals. Replace "animals" with, say, prostitution, and you're in the same position as the lawmakers you spend half your time complaining about in all the other threads on this board.
You're the same type of person as they, you just have a different "this is what I like" matrix than they do.
Bottlenose dolphins are not an endangered animal. It's nobody's business but the Japanese if they choose to, relatively speaking, slaughter dolphins for their consumption. I have more of an issue with keeping the animals alive and torturing them for years afterwards because that's simple cruelty, but on the spectrum for how animals are slaughtered for food, The Cove didn't show anything that would be out of place in any slaughterhouse in the world. And would be considerably less brutal than many, even those in the first world. Seriously, have you SEEN how the kosher/halal beef you eat at your local shawarma joint was slaughtered? The dolphins in The Cove were much better off.
That you draw the line at dolphins because dolphins are cute, have that permanent smile, and you feel bad for that is perfectly fine. That you demand others live according to your rules, to the point of having LAWS enforcing that, when all of us here are participants in an industry that vitally depends on the "hands off" approach from government, is not quite as acceptable.
This is why libertarianism 1.) Makes logical sense, and 2.) Won't work. Because even those who live in glass houses think they live in stone fortresses when it comes to other topics.
You can get all manner of exotic game, right here in TO. You just have to learn a little mandarin.
this kind of sums it up for the people that don't give a shit about planet earth
While orcas are data deficient because there's some debate over how many different species of orcas there are, bottlenose dolphins are about as endangered as the whitetail deer.
Partaking in dolphin meat is about as "not giving a shit about the planet Earth" as any harvesting of a wild animal. And if you're dumb enough to think no wild animals should be harvested, you're about as ignorant an environmentalist as there can be. SERIOUS environmentalist, environmentalists who actually KNOW something about wild animal populations, recognize that some species need to be harvested by humans for their own good.
But if you want to be the stereotypical "lots of heart, little brain" enviro, please feel free.
I don't get upset that dolphins are being eaten. I eat all types of fish, other meat and protein etc. Pigs are insanely intelligent animals, yet they get no respect whatsoever. This argument that because something is beautiful or intelligent etc, we can't eat it is nonsense.
