Black Panther and the supposed need for idols

[Promo]

It's funny seeing all you guys trying to explain why theater attendance is down.

Most of you old guys are Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation (I wish the title was true Teejay!) and represented two large demographic groups. Common sense: you old farts have been dying off in droves and the last ones are too old to drive at night, hell you spend most of your hours on Terb. SIMPLE: None of your numerically huge generation aren't going to theaters anymore.

Your old fart Hollywood producers are still producing old actor movies: Arnie, Stallone, Streep, Aniston, Jolie, Hanks, Depp, Pitt, Smith, Bale, Bullock, etc. My generation doesn't want to see geratics decaying on high resolution screens! Have you looked at your sex symbol Jolie's skin on the big screen - IMAX is her enemy!! Nothing sexy about blue-hair women with crow wrinkles, tummy bulge, flat droopy butts and boobs. Story lines had to be simple so you foggies could keep up. Movies had to be be 75 minutes or less for your short attention spans. UGH! At least all the chairs above the 3rd step were always empty.

Gaffer Hollywood Producers are only now being replaced with younger professionals who can create movies for my generation. Hot fit women who jiggle instead of wobble, intelligent thinking-person plots, solid character development.

Nothing I hate more than standing in the long washroom line while 3 old-codgers at the urinals try to get their stream going, while comparing notes on their prostates. And then piss all over the floor.

 

[Promo]

Perfect example: Wigglee is arguing with blueray .....

Here's a fact for you ....People have fancy home entertainment systems now and can stream movies in various ways..... that is the only reason theatre attendance is declining

.... by repeating blueray's exact point. Old people will argue the colour of a white wall ..... right FAST?

^^^^^---- totally messing with you old-timers! But flame away, you will have forgotten my insults by this afternoon.

 

[sempel]

It's funny seeing all you guys trying to explain why theater attendance is down.

Most of you old guys are Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation (I wish the title was true Teejay!) and represented two large demographic groups. Common sense: you old farts have been dying off in droves and the last ones are too old to drive at night, hell you spend most of your hours on Terb. SIMPLE: None of your numerically huge generation aren't going to theaters anymore.

Your old fart Hollywood producers are still producing old actor movies: Arnie, Stallone, Streep, Aniston, Jolie, Hanks, Depp, Pitt, Smith, Bale, Bullock, etc. My generation doesn't want to see old geratics decaying on high resolution screens! Have you looked at your sex symbol Jolie's skin on the big screen - IMAX is her enemy!! Nothing sexy about blue-hair women with crow wrinkles, tummy bulge, flat droopy butts and boobs. Story lines had to be simple so you foggies could keep up. Movies had to be be 75 minutes or less for your short attention spans. Frequent washroom breaks. UGH! At least all the chairs above the 3rd step were always empty.

Gaffer Hollywood Producers are only now being replaced with younger professionals who can now creating movies for my generation. Hot fit women who jiggle instead of wobble, intelligent thinking-person plots, solid character development.

Nothing I hate more than standing in the long washroom line while 3 old-codgersat the urinals trying to get their stream going, while comparing notes on their prostates.

Don't know how young you are bud but some of us ain't senior citizens yet and definitely don't act like ones.

There are some new wave directors/writers that are making some good stuff but it seems like the new generation doesn't have the same creativity as the older one, hence the number of sequels, remakes, etc. Seen a bunch of promos for Death Wish starring Bruce Willis. Perhaps you don't know but there are 4 Death Wish movies starring Charles Bronson that were entertaining enough. And how many remakes of Batman, Superman, and now even Tomb Raider are being done? The original Jumanji is 20 years old. Most of the stuff coming out is recycled or not that impressive. I don't think it has much to do with the talent as there are plenty of new generation stars that are very good.

 

[Promo]

Don't know how young you are bud but some of us ain't senior citizens yet and definitely don't act like ones.

Thank-you for offering yourself up as the perfect example of what I'm talking about! Old fart pretending to be young. I chuckled when you asked in another thread when we would "bounce" - very 60s.

There are some new wave directors/writers that are making some good stuff but it seems like the new generation doesn't have the same creativity as the older one, hence the number of sequels, remakes, etc. Seen a bunch of promos for Death Wish starring Bruce Willis. Perhaps you don't know but there are 4 Death Wish movies starring Charles Bronson that were entertaining enough. And how many remakes of Batman, Superman, and now even Tomb Raider are being done? The original Jumanji is 20 years old. Most of the stuff coming out is recycled or not that impressive. I don't think it has much to do with the talent as there are plenty of new generation stars that are very good.

lololol - you are completely proving my point!! Death Wish is an old movie. Bruce Willis is a 62 YEAR OLD ACTOR. The Producer Roger Birnbaum is like 70 years old. <--- Simpel, do you get it yet?

Look at who is producing those movies in your list. The OLD Hollywood guard. It is your old generation that continues to produce garbage as you guys aren't capable of original ideas. Too stubborn and set in your ways. <--- Simpel, do you get it yet?

 

[sempel]

Thank-you for offering yourself up as the perfect example of what I'm talking about! Old fart pretending to be young. I chuckled when you asked in another thread when we would "bounce" - very 60s.


lololol - you are completely proving my point!! Death Wish is an old movie. Bruce Willis is a 62 YEAR OLD ACTOR. The Producer Roger Birnbaum is like 70 years old. <--- Simpel, do you get it yet?

Look at who is producing those movies in your list. The OLD Hollywood guard. It is your old generation that continues to produce garbage as you guys aren't capable of original ideas. Too stubborn and set in your ways. <--- Simpel, do you get it yet?

How old do you think I am? I appreciate older movies, movies made well before I was born. Similarly I like the Beatles, a band that again was in its heyday long before I came around. So please do not dismiss an eclectic love of movies new and old as someone being old. I was playing Pictionary with a 12-year old and they didn't know what a "phone card" or "dump truck" was.

I remember an MPA used to bug the hell out of me because she would blast her mix of 70's classic rock music. She was 21 years old and this was last year.

How old do you think a person playing a father with a teenaged daughter should be? 30? That's the role in Death Wish. Die Hard movies, which are 30 years old, are fantastic and that's in part because of Bruce Willis.

Try naming movies made in the last few years that are good. Few and far between. Same with young actors. Recently was watching the remake of Baywatch - not bad, but again, RECYCLED.

 

[TFZL1]

I go to see a lot of movies, usually every week, sometimes more. There certainly are not 52 blockbusters every year, so I’ve seen a lot of mediocre films and even some artsy or ethnic movies.
I usually got to IMAX for the big hits, like star was or superhero movies.
I like characters cast by someone who fits the role, and in black panther most of the characters fit perfectly, although a little too stereo typical on he villain. (Reminded me of the shark hunter from Jaws)
One film last year that was a flop could have gone differently. I was a big fan of the books, Stephen kings The Dark Tower. I was hoping for more with the movie, and hoping for 6 more movies as the story barely started with 1 movie. They won’t make the rest. I thought they missed casting the gunslinger as a black man. I read all 7 books and never thought he was African American. Especially since he’s a descendant of King Authur. (Have you forgotten the face of your father?)
I wonder if that has anything to do with it being a box office failure. Where was the black culture doing community screenings for that one?

 

[sempel]

I go to see a lot of movies, usually every week, sometimes more. There certainly are not 52 blockbusters every year, so I’ve seen a lot of mediocre films and even some artsy or ethnic movies.
I usually got to IMAX for the big hits, like star was or superhero movies.
I like characters cast by someone who fits the role, and in black panther most of the characters fit perfectly, although a little too stereo typical on he villain. (Reminded me of the shark hunter from Jaws)
One film last year that was a flop could have gone differently. I was a big fan of the books, Stephen kings The Dark Tower. I was hoping for more with the movie, and hoping for 6 more movies as the story barely started with 1 movie. They won’t make the rest. I thought they missed casting the gunslinger as a black man. I read all 7 books and never thought he was African American. Especially since he’s a descendant of King Authur. (Have you forgotten the face of your father?)
I wonder if that has anything to do with it being a box office failure. Where was the black culture doing community screenings for that one?

There are a lot of things that we naturally stereotype and assume. There's a standard riddle - guy is hunting with is dad and gets shot. Dad takes him to the hospital. In the operation room, the doctor looks at the patient and stops saying "I can't operate. This is my son". How can that be?

The answer is the doctor is a woman - it's his mother. But most people naturally picture doctor - male. Nurse - female. Have to learn to reprogram that type of thinking.

I haven't seen the Black Tower but doubt the movie was a fail because of the casting and change. In the remake of fantastic 4 Johnny Flame is black and Sue Storm is the adopted white kid so Flame's step brother. Didn't make the movie worse (not that it was great anyway).

I also just read that the studio only considered black directors for the movie. NP having one, but isn't it wrong to only consider black directors?

 

[Insidious Von]

Promo, what are you saying?

Because I'm an old fart I'm not allowed to appreciated films like Get Out! or Black Panther. Should I submit myself to being made into Soylent Green? I'm not quite 60, but I was the one who promoted Fruitvale Station on this board. Because I'm an old bag of methane, I have to submit to ageism.

 

[Tony Figaro]

I'm looking forward to seeing "Red Sparrow" and "Tomb Raider" in March. However, the movie that will beat "Black Panther" on its opening weekend for March 9 is their very own Disney "A Wrinkle In Time".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1620680...&pf_rd_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_cs_t0

 

[sempel]

Promo, what are you saying?

Because I'm an old fart I'm not allowed to appreciated films like Get Out! or Black Panther. Should I submit myself to being made into Soylent Green? I'm not quite 60, but I was the one who promoted Fruitvale Station on this board. Because I'm an old bag of methane, I have to submit to ageism.

I think that's what he's saying. Apparently any movie or actor that's a little older is the problem and the movies they are in or made by them are terrible. Most of the new movies nowadays lack plot, are mostly CGI, and have actors who are popular for something other than their acting ability.

 

[sempel]

I'm looking forward to seeing "Red Sparrow" and "Tom Raider" in March. However, the movie that will beat "Black Panther" on its opening weekend for March 9 is their very own Disney "A Wrinkle In Time".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1620680...&pf_rd_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_cs_t0

I just hope the new Tomb Raider is better than the ones with Angelina Jolie. Both were nutty. I would think Tomb Raider would be similar to the Mummy meets Indiana Jones.

 

[Promo]

How old do you think I am?

Promo, what are you saying?

I think you are both too old to realize I'm f*cking with you, even after I tell you in post #23 "totally messing with you old-timers! " lol

I appreciate older movies, movies made well before I was born. Similarly I like the Beatles, a band that again was in its heyday long before I came around. Blah, Blah, Blah

<chuckle> I didn't comment about any of that off-topic stuff. But I do like older women. Women in their late 30s or early 40s tend to be great in bed. If they are married, then there is that added excitement of doing it in their family bed and getting action and pictures they would never give to their husband. (It is fun being bit of a shit)

Recently was watching the remake of Baywatch - not bad, but again, RECYCLED.

THAT WAS A TERRIBLE MOVIE. ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.
Didn't you just re-prove my point: A movie based on a OLD TV show, produced and directed by the OLD Hollywood guard with the main actor Dwayne Johnson having passing his best-before date all targeted at an OLD audience (yourself).

 

[Insidious Von]

I think you are both too old to realize I'm f*cking with you, even after I tell you in post #23 "totally messing with you old-timers!

Dindn't read post 23, Promo The Robot. You're tapping out, sempel (Randy Savage) just tagged in your's truly (King Kong Bundy).

I disagree on A Wrinkle In Time, it will make as much money as Tommorowland. Promo The Robot, Quentin Tarantino is 55, that makes him a bag of methane. Where would he be without Sergio Leone, had he lived would be 89.

I debate between myself and Promo the Robot would go something like this:

 

[derrick76]

As a white guy, I idolized Jackie Chan when I was young. Hell, I still think he's pretty awesome! I also thought Will Smith was great, until my late teens.

So while I think it's great that black people are idolizing the protagonist and some side characters in this movie, it shouldn't be framed as "now black people have people to idolize". That's a horrible way of looking at it. Black people already had people to idolize. You shouldn't idolize people for their skin colour, but for their characters. Thankfully, people of all stripes are idolizing Boseman and crew, so at least some people don't buy into the narrative of having to look like someone to idolize them.

Most of the people framing it that way aren't even black. A young Clint Eastwood was idolized in Jamaica, for one. Bruce Lee (I mean, where hasn't he been?) as well. I coudl go on and on.

 

[Insidious Von]

Sergio Leone made Clint Eastwood legendary period.

 

[rhuarc29]

Most of the people framing it that way aren't even black.

That's very true. A lot of them are white people I guess trying to look progressive...? No idea. I'll just continue to enjoy movies for the entertainment value and leave the politics to those with guilty consciences!

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Where are all the Asian people saying "Our only idols are martial arts heroes, we need more Asian heroes?" Same thing with EI - as Sugar Sammy says, " Our mainstream media idol is Apu from the Simpsons".

I would assume no, since they already have major markets catering to them overseas.

 

[Smallcock]

It's funny seeing all you guys trying to explain why theater attendance is down.

Most of you old guys are Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation (I wish the title was true Teejay!) and represented two large demographic groups. Common sense: you old farts have been dying off in droves and the last ones are too old to drive at night, hell you spend most of your hours on Terb. SIMPLE: None of your numerically huge generation aren't going to theaters anymore.

Your old fart Hollywood producers are still producing old actor movies: Arnie, Stallone, Streep, Aniston, Jolie, Hanks, Depp, Pitt, Smith, Bale, Bullock, etc. My generation doesn't want to see geratics decaying on high resolution screens! Have you looked at your sex symbol Jolie's skin on the big screen - IMAX is her enemy!! Nothing sexy about blue-hair women with crow wrinkles, tummy bulge, flat droopy butts and boobs. Story lines had to be simple so you foggies could keep up. Movies had to be be 75 minutes or less for your short attention spans. UGH! At least all the chairs above the 3rd step were always empty.

Gaffer Hollywood Producers are only now being replaced with younger professionals who can create movies for my generation. Hot fit women who jiggle instead of wobble, intelligent thinking-person plots, solid character development.

Nothing I hate more than standing in the long washroom line while 3 old-codgers at the urinals try to get their stream going, while comparing notes on their prostates. And then piss all over the floor.

I'm not big on Hollywood and stopped idolizing celebrities by the time I was 14 so I have no idea what's going on. Are there young actors with "star power" nowadays? All the actors you named were big dependable box office draws. I can't think of any young stars with staying power let alone star power. Then again, it's not my wheelhouse.

 

[Tony Figaro]

"A Wrinkle in Time", I didn't mean it was gonna kickass at the box office. I just meant it was going to be the first movie to knock BP out of the #1 spot at the box office and put it in second place for the weekend of March 9th.

 

[Promo]

Dindn't read post 23, Promo The Robot. You're tapping out, sempel (Randy Savage) just tagged in your's truly (King Kong Bundy).

Smile - I'm both a Macho Man and King Kong Bundy fan. I'll choose Stone Cold as my alter ego. Seriously: I met Randy at a restaurant a while back when he sat down by himself at the table beside us. I wasn't going to say anything to him as bothering a celeb at dinner is a etiquette no-no .... and wrestlers are known for their short fuses. But he introduced himself and we small talked for a few minutes. He's massive in real life and he has a crazy look in his eyes (like he could snap in a second). I noticed he's missing several of his fingers as he constantly grinds his hands into each other, not like a nervous habit, more like he wants to smash something.

I disagree on A Wrinkle In Time, it will make as much money as Tommorowland. Promo The Robot, Quentin Tarantino is 55, that makes him a bag of methane. Where would he be without Sergio Leone, had he lived would be 89.

Umm, that was Tony Figaro, not me.

I debate between myself and Promo the Robot would go something like this:

I'm not really worried about a debate as your mind seems to wander sentence-by-sentence today. :fencing: I get that you like to post videos in every one of your posts, but why do they never have anything to do with the actual thread? I'm not trying to be a dick, I've been curious about that for a while.