Black lives matter, except to blacks

[WinterHawk]

Not sure what you are referring to when you say "there is no solution". There are smarter people than me who hopefully
will figure out the solution. I do know one thing, rounding up people or invading their homes, or making their lives "a living hell" are not acceptable solutions.

There is no solution that will provide a 100% success rate, and there will always be segment of society who choose that life.

"I do know one thing, rounding up people or invading their homes, or making their lives "a living hell" are not acceptable solutions." - sure it is, they rounded up the Japanese during WWII both here and in the US, and no one lifted a finger.

Giving the bad boys and girls a hug and a tissue to wipe away their tears is not the answer. You need to reduce the number of drug users and suppliers, both go hand in hand. But that's going to cost money, so society WILL ALLOW young thugs to shoot the place up and killing rivals & bystanders because it costs less.

 

[WinterHawk]

Don't know if it's true or not, but isn't the temptation of accepting bribes one of the reasons they pay cops so well,
so they won't stoop to that?
They're averaging $100k/yr aren't they?

Yes that is the stated reason to make them less likely to be corrupt.... But with millions in cash, what's a 100,000 to get a shipment through?

 

[slowandeasy]

"I do know one thing, rounding up people or invading their homes, or making their lives "a living hell" are not acceptable solutions." - sure it is, they rounded up the Japanese during WWII both here and in the US, and no one lifted a finger.

Giving the bad boys and girls a hug and a tissue to wipe away their tears is not the answer. You need to reduce the number of drug users and suppliers, both go hand in hand. But that's going to cost money, so society WILL ALLOW young thugs to shoot the place up and killing rivals & bystanders because it costs less.

Yes, they rounded up the Japanese in WW2, but interestingly they did not round up all German Nationals in Canada at the time. It was criminal what they did to the Japanese.

Which drug will you target? Coke? Crack? Heroin? Marijuana? What about Alcohol? Protecting basic rights is not the same as "giving the bad boys and girls a hug... ".
I do agree that something has to be done, and that politicians are too soft, but the war on drugs is not going that well in the US, why do you expect it will do any better here?

 

[WinterHawk]

Yes, they rounded up the Japanese in WW2, but interestingly they did not round up all German Nationals in Canada at the time. It was criminal what they did to the Japanese.

Which drug will you target? Coke? Crack? Heroin? Marijuana? What about Alcohol? Protecting basic rights is not the same as "giving the bad boys and girls a hug... ".
I do agree that something has to be done, and that politicians are too soft, but the war on drugs is not going that well in the US, why do you expect it will do any better here?

They rounded up the Japanese because of envy, racism and relatively low numbers in localized areas.

I'd target those drugs that make the most money, Coke, Crack & Heroin are a good start. And Marijuana even though there is momentum to legalize it.

"why do you expect it will do any better here?" - Smaller overall population, only a few means of getting dugs into the country, far stricter gun control laws mean that firearms are not as easy to obtain. Gun owners are required to lock up firearms, so their not leaving them in their cars, night stands or hall closets. Social services with a safety net to help get people of drugs.

First you have to reduce/eliminate the demand by locking up both hard core and casual drug users, tough love but you have to stop them buying to dry up their source of cash. Thefts from family, friends and strangers will go way down. Re-education camps to dry them out.

Training camps for dealers to learn a marketable skill with the promise of sealing their criminal records on completion of a training program, and good behaviour.

The cartel leadership take their fortune to finance it.

This is a war on society, and it might take that level of effort to beat them back to being an annoyance. You can't win against peoples desires, but you can make it dam difficult.

 

[slowandeasy]

They rounded up the Japanese because of envy, racism and relatively low numbers in localized areas.

I'd target those drugs that make the most money, Coke, Crack & Heroin are a good start. And Marijuana even though there is momentum to legalize it.

"why do you expect it will do any better here?" - Smaller overall population, only a few means of getting dugs into the country, far stricter gun control laws mean that firearms are not as easy to obtain. Gun owners are required to lock up firearms, so their not leaving them in their cars, night stands or hall closets. Social services with a safety net to help get people of drugs.

First you have to reduce/eliminate the demand by locking up both hard core and casual drug users, tough love but you have to stop them buying to dry up their source of cash. Thefts from family, friends and strangers will go way down. Re-education camps to dry them out.

Training camps for dealers to learn a marketable skill with the promise of sealing their criminal records on completion of a training program, and good behaviour.

The cartel leadership take their fortune to finance it.

This is a war on society, and it might take that level of effort to beat them back to being an annoyance. You can't win against peoples desires, but you can make it dam difficult.

Ok... so once they have cleaned that up, and they find that there is still a problem what do they do next? We are humans, and some of us are less well adjusted than others, we are prone to
doing stupid things. What is your next move, and where does it end? Those same people who just helped you get rid of drugs will now start asking questions about Alcohol, because we know that
Alcohol causes more problems than probably all the other illegal drugs combined (not sure just making that last part up). Again, not saying that we should not do anything, but you see my point?

 

[fuji]

No government has the intestinal fortitude to tackle the problem head on but will try band aid solutions as not to offend anyone. Who said abandoning our freedoms?

No government in a democracy will do it: they would lose the next election. In a dictatorship they might. The thing about freedom is that people like it, and while you talk about the glorious virtues of unlimited state power, anyone who has experienced unlimited state power first hand generally has a very different opinion.

And you weren't talking about searches with a warrant where probable cause exists. You were talking about sweeps of entire neighborhoods with a massive militarized police presence putting the entire place on lockdown while a thorough search of everyone and everything was conducted.

That isn't going to happen in any free country. If it does, it isn't a free country anymore.

 

[slowandeasy]

No government in a democracy will do it: they would lose the next election. In a dictatorship they might. .

Winterhawk is talking about creating a police state. The intention is good, but there is no doubt that human nature will take over, and we would end up like so many dictatorships around the world have ended up.
Trampling on peoples basic rights is always a recipe for disaster.

 

[WinterHawk]

Winterhawk is talking about creating a police state. The intention is good, but there is no doubt that human nature will take over, and we would end up like so many dictatorships around the world have ended up.
Trampling on peoples basic rights is always a recipe for disaster.

I'm talking about invoking something like the War Measures Act.

Now as for a Police State, your rights are slowly being eroded, the government is ever so slowly trying to take away your rights in the name of security. The liberals would love to take away your firearms instead of doing the necessary work to disarm the thugs.

 

[basketcase]

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The police know who the suppliers are, but there's too much graft to go after them.

Maybe I'm just an optimist but I would expect that police suspicions don't meet the standard required for a warrant. I would also expect the criminals not to be dumb enough to be keeping their stash under their mattress. And taking the gloves off with users would be a ridiculous drain on the system. Can you imagine locking up everyone who used weed?

Now significantly increasing the punishment for street dealers would be sensible. If I can identify street dealers in my neighbourhood (and no, not as a customer) you can be sure as shit the police are aware too. They just know it is not worth the effort to to bust some kid with a half dozen baggies when they just get slapped with probation. Nailing the street dealers with big sentences might also convince some to share what they know.

p.s. Canada has officially apologized for Japanese and Italian internment camps.

 

[basketcase]

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First you have to reduce/eliminate the demand by locking up both hard core and casual drug users, tough love but you have to stop them buying to dry up their source of cash. Thefts from family, friends and strangers will go way down. Re-education camps to dry them out....

And when they're out their lives will be so good that they never return to their addiction?

 

[slowandeasy]

p.s. Canada has officially apologized for Japanese and Italian internment camps.

I did not know we had Italian Internment camps.

 

[basketcase]

Not very many, a couple thousand. IIRC only immigrants, not people born in Canada of Italian background.

 

[SkyRider]

Cynthia Mullapudi, R.I.P.

She was only exercising her rights to be anywhere, anytime with anyone she wants. Freedom!
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-sa...ooting-had-only-just-met-each-other-1.2890760

 

[SchlongConery]

Cynthia Mullapudi, R.I.P.

She was only exercising her rights to be anywhere, anytime with anyone she wants. Freedom!
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-sa...ooting-had-only-just-met-each-other-1.2890760

Again with the nonsensical trolling?

 

[SkyRider]

Joseph Anzolona, 26, and Cynthia Mullapudi, 24, were both shot multiple times at close range as they sat in the back seat of an SUV in a parking lot near an LCBO.

Cynthia Mullapudi had only met Joseph Anzolona for the very first time that same night. Truly an innocent victim in the wrong place, at the wrong time with the "wrong people". Same with Anela Navarro-Fenoy, wrong place, wrong time, "wrong people". They weren't the first and, sadly, unlikely to be the last.

I remember when "they" shot Napedog. They had the decency to wait until he stepped out of HOL 2 before shooting him so no innocents got shot in the crossfire.

 

[SkyRider]

Yes, they rounded up the Japanese in WW2,

"In the First World War, with a few rare exceptions, recruitment offices in BC would not accept Asians for military service. To circumvent this practice, over 200 Issei men travelled from British Columbia to Alberta to enlist. Of the 222 who served, 54 were killed and 13 men received the Military Metal of B**********y."

"During the Second World War, Nisei men tried to follow in the footsteps of the Issei veterans by enlisting in the armed forces. They knew that enlistment would enfranchise not only the soldier but also his wife. Only 32 Nisei succeeded in enlisting before December 1941 when Japan attacked the US base at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. Most of the 32 were Japanese Albertans and one, Jack Nakamura of Vancouver, enlisted by travelling east until he persuaded a recruiting officer in Montréal to sign him up."

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/japanese-canadians/

 

[basketcase]

"In the First World War, with a few rare exceptions, recruitment offices in BC would not accept Asians for military service. ...

They weren't allowed to vote in BC either but thanks for googling random facts.

 

[SkyRider]

They weren't allowed to vote in BC either but thanks for googling random facts.

You're welcome. I think what you said in your post was also mentioned in the link. Thanks for mentioning it again. Note that it wasn't I who first raised the subject of the treatment of Japanese Canadians in Canada. Please be sure to thank that other poster as well.

 

[slowandeasy]

Cynthia Mullapudi had only met Joseph Anzolona for the very first time that same night. .

Sorry to say, but the first thing that came to mind was that it was a drug deal gone wrong.

 

[canada-man]