Do you have any idea how large an area is downtown Toronto? Most of the security forces were manning (womanning) the fence. The other protestors were "enablers".
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Uh, yes. I do have an idea, as I am there quite often.Do you have any idea how large an area is downtown Toronto? Most of the security forces were manning (womanning) the fence. The other protestors were "enablers".
Actually I think it is all the media's fault. They needed and got some great videos and news stories.
How many of the rest of us who because we disagree with your opinion, therefore have "distain for civil liberties," are there?Julian Fantino's answer was surprisingly restrained for someone that has little tolerance for disorder and distain for civil liberties.
However, the far more inportant question is why wouldn't you point them out? Need to be, and should be are utterly different questions.They don't need to be pointed out by other protesters.
The media is not being helpful. They refuse to let this story die. They are now part of the story. When the police ask you to stop blocking an intersection, don't challenge their authority and pester them with a thousand questions. JUST LEAVE! GO HOME! IT IS POURING RAIN OUTSIDE.
The police are much more effective when they've got the assistance of the public. The easiest way for legitimate protesters to keep their protests from being over-run by anarchists is to help the police arrest the anarchists.They don't need to be pointed out by other protesters. Why would we have thousands of police officers there if not for this purpose? You are going to say that they shed their clothes and hide in the crowd, but as these tactics have been seen before, that should come as no surprise to the police, either.
They are definitely showing a lot more restraint than most people would, but it makes me wonder if that restraint being shown is advantageous to their agenda.
If the marchers raising their issues don't want to see riot police rushing crowds, don't want to see police cruisers burning in the streets of Toronto, don't want to see people's shops and businesses smashed by hooligans, well there is in fact something that those legitimate protesters could do about that.
In fact it HURT the other marchers not to do that--the result of the images of burning police cars, etc., was that the rest of the marchers were ignored by the media--the violence was a bigger story.
I am not saying that I would not help the police if I could. But I would be there to protest my cause, not to hunt BB.The police are much more effective when they've got the assistance of the public. The easiest way for legitimate protesters to keep their protests from being over-run by anarchists is to help the police arrest the anarchists.
If the marchers raising their issues don't want to see riot police rushing crowds, don't want to see police cruisers burning in the streets of Toronto, don't want to see people's shops and businesses smashed by hooligans, well there is in fact something that those legitimate protesters could do about that.
Hunting the BB is what the police get PAID to do. Stop crime, or solve crime, either when it is occurring (especially in front of their eyes!) or afterward.
Seeing as these hooligans were a minority of protesters, it boggles the mind that the police did nothing to stop the carnage. If a reporter can get a pic of someone smashing in a storefront, where was the police to stop that occurrence or arrest the perpetrator after the incident?
Whether by accident, or design, a number of protesters using Black bloc tactics were not stopped from creating general carnage. This detracted from the otherwise peaceful protesters that gathered.
I get jumped all over when I suggest that it might just be by design, especially when taken into account that this kind of thing has been tried by other police services before. Like I said, it is NOT that far fetched to believe that this might be the case again.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
I suppose that one can believe the moon is made from green cheese. Or that great favorite here on TERB that the world was created on October 23, 4004 B.C.Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Some opinion's bear greater weight than others.
Why so hostile? I haven't resorted to acting like a douche, so why would you?I suppose that one can believe the moon is made from green cheese. Or that great favorite here on TERB that the world was created on October 23, 4004 B.C.
Problem is, it's easy to say just rush in and stop the looter's, but when it's a mob , no matter how overtly they are breaking the law and making asses of themselves, if you move in to arrest them, passerby's WILL try to interfere with the arrests as they think the police are doing wrong, which means the police will have to arrest those people, which will agner more people and so forth like dominoes.
Better to keep the troublemakers isolated and let them do the shit they are up too.
Better to keep the troublemakers isolated and let them do the shit they are up too.
Sorry, it isn't you individually, it is that people on TERB actually defend such people and want to believe the most far fetched of conspiracy theories.Why so hostile? I haven't resorted to acting like a douche, so why would you?
is that wrong in your opinion ? i think (in most cases) it is well past the ''theories'' stageSorry, it isn't you individually, it is that people on TERB actually defend such people and want to believe the most far fetched of conspiracy theories.
is everything black and white in your world ?
Thanks, I took that a bit personally.Sorry, it isn't you individually, it is that people on TERB actually defend such people and want to believe the most far fetched of conspiracy theories.
But I should state here, that I do not believe this theory to be very far fetched.
p.s. Elvis lives!
It is idiotic in my opinion. I have yet to see anyone on TERB save perhaps Papa (and I think he is probably deliberately poking at people) defend Creationism. Yet the most far fetched of conspiracy theories are swallowed hook line and sinker.is that wrong in your opinion ?
How can so many posters for instance discount God, and yet wholeheartedly believe conspiracy theories that have even less "proof".
Really there is a black force in the Police (one might ask is this the Toronto Police, the OPP, the RCMP or all three) that runs around vandalizing private property. Yet the inevitable discovery of the same would be a huge national shock doubtless resulting in the disbandment of any police agency involved and the fall of any government found to be involved.
Yet some posters are seemingly far more willing to believe this, than that a group of anarchists came to Toronto and caused this damage.
are you able to show us all ''proof'' that god exists ?It is idiotic in my opinion. I have yet to see anyone on TERB save perhaps Papa (and I think he is probably deliberately poking at people) defend Creationism. Yet the most far fetched of conspiracy theories are swallowed hook line and sinker.
How can so many posters for instance discount God, and yet wholeheartedly believe conspiracy theories that have even less "proof".
Are you able to show me proof that men didn't land on the moon? Or that the Toronto Police are responsible for all the vandalism this weekend?are you able to show us all ''proof'' that god exists ?
i thought soAre you able to show me proof that men didn't land on the moon? Or that the Toronto Police are responsible for all the vandalism this weekend?
