Birmingham UK shootout

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The Michigan school shooting was gangbangers?..... Hmm. Didn't know that. Thanks for telling me.
In a country of 360 million tragedies will happen . No laws or bans will stop these tragedies .

BTW there is no telling you anything . You are full one way .
 
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In a country of 360 million tragedies will happen . No laws or bans will stop these tragedies .
BTW there is no telling you anything . You are full one way .
But those tragedies never happen in any other country. Hmmm.....
 

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By definition, if something is deemed a crime, that means that it's been banned. You are not allowed to do it.

As such, your statement means nothing.

The theory with banning guns is that it makes it harder for people to perpetrate certain other banned activities. Like killing.
You clearly didn't get the irony of my statement.
 

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But those tragedies never happen in any other country. Hmmm.....
Lets be clear here . You said it "never" happens in other countries .

At least I have sources.

That's a great list. I really like the 1583 guy. I guess if you cover 500 years, you can come up with a decent list, huh?
I posted a crappy source for information . Just to show you how wrong you are . Sort of makes you think . What else are you wrong about ?
 

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Lets be clear here . You said it "never" happens in other countries .

I posted a crappy source for information . Just to show you how wrong you are . Sort of makes you think . What else are you wrong about ?
My favourite was Ernst Wagner from Germany in 1913 who was totally insane - i.e. talking to the little green goblins - and also killed 2 animals. It's a pretty, damn good list. There's also Gustav Tomshits of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914 who killed 2 people, 2 dogs and 3 pigs.
 

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Take a look at what Australia did as a gun buy back and ban.

I lived there for four years, and gun use in crime was very low - penalties and enforcement of same made it not worth it.

Now knives and clubs were not uncommon occurrences in assault situations reported in the press.
Gun use in crime was always very low in Australia. The only reason they did the buy back and subsequent ban was due to a mass shooting.
 

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My favourite was Ernst Wagner from Germany in 1913 who was totally insane - i.e. talking to the little green goblins - and also killed 2 animals. It's a pretty, damn good list. There's also Gustav Tomshits of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914 who killed 2 people, 2 dogs and 3 pigs.
I'm glad you are going over the list . As you said it "never " happens . Hope you are learning to do a search before posting false statements .
 
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Just for fun I went to Google News and typed 'Birmingham, Alabama shooting'. About half a dozen stories about shootings came up, as opposed to this one story from Birmingham, UK. And Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK with about 2 million people; Birmingham, Alabama is 200,000 people.
 
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No need to twist anything around . You are punishing legal gun owners . For the deeds of criminals ....
In the Michigan case, the criminal was using a gun legally bought for him and there are plenty of cases where a legally purchased gun accidentally kills a family member.


p.s. What exactly is happening that is punishing legal gun owners? Are we punishing legal drivers by making them get a licence and register their car?
 

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In a country of 360 million tragedies will happen .
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Population mean Canada should have 1/10th the number of "tragedies" but we don't (and Canada is still near the top of the world in guns per capita).


And yes, requiring a universal background check, a safety course, requiring guns to be secured, and not allowing guns to be carried freely will reduce the number of gun deaths.
 
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In the Michigan case, the criminal was using a gun legally bought for him and there are plenty of cases where a legally purchased gun accidentally kills a family member.


p.s. What exactly is happening that is punishing legal gun owners? Are we punishing legal drivers by making them get a licence and register their car?

In a country of 360 million people and 300 million plus guns . Billions of rounds of ammunition . A few rare cases will happen .

Way more people have their lives saved by guns . Unfortunately it does not make the news . KR was one case that they tried to sink the kid for defending himself . It back fired on anti gun and the main media . Even with all the lies . Thankfully with the video the truth came out . There are many more cases like this . That just doesn't make the news .
 

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Population mean Canada should have 1/10th the number of "tragedies" but we don't (and Canada is still near the top of the world in guns per capita).


And yes, requiring a universal background check, a safety course, requiring guns to be secured, and not allowing guns to be carried freely will reduce the number of gun deaths.

Do you think the gangbangers in Toronto lock up their guns . They only take them from the safe to the range ? By chance another gangbanger comes across on their way to a legal range and they shoot then ?

Do you think they care about 10 round magazine capacity . They have shoot outs on the streets in daylight with many people around . Yet JT says more background checks for legal gun owners . Ignoring the illegal guns and violence .

You have the same mind set as the government . Pick on the target that is 99.99% law abiding by all firearm laws .
 

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Just for fun I went to Google News and typed 'Birmingham, Alabama shooting'. About half a dozen stories about shootings came up, as opposed to this one story from Birmingham, UK. And Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK with about 2 million people; Birmingham, Alabama is 200,000 people.

If you don't have a gun you grab a knife . If someone wants to kill another person they use what is at hand . As we have seen cars and trucks make a great tool for killing .
 

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In a country of 360 million people and 300 million plus guns . Billions of rounds of ammunition . A few rare cases will happen .

Way more people have their lives saved by guns . Unfortunately it does not make the news . KR was one case that they tried to sink the kid for defending himself . It back fired on anti gun and the main media . Even with all the lies . Thankfully with the video the truth came out . There are many more cases like this . That just doesn't make the news .
That's because these cases are imaginary. It's a myth of the gun-loving American Right that armed patriots are out there every day shooting down gun-toting scumbags and protecting their homes and families. But I don't think it happens.

If it happened, it would make the news. It doesn't make the news, it didn't take place. It's a myth.

One of the reasons that the Rittenhouse incident has gotten so much media traction is that he can be portrayed as filling the above myth-role. In fact, that's nonsense. Rittenhouse didn't shoot looters. He didn't "defend" anything. He was an underage vigilante who foolishly wandered off by himself and got attacked by a creepy guy with evident mental problems who had just been released from the psych hospital and was wandering around looking for a fight and maybe a "suicide by cop".

When Rittenhouse killed this dude, he was then pursued by other vigilantes. He shot two of those and - yes, it was self-defence. But it was vigilante-on-vigilante self-defence. He wasn't protecting anything but himself and if he had an iota of sense, he would have stayed with his buddies and kept out of trouble.

So.... prove to me that decent, patriotic Americans are attacked by armed scumbags in their homes, offices, malls, titty-bars and bowling alleys every day and that they need to have AR-15's. I'll wait.
 

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If you don't have a gun you grab a knife . If someone wants to kill another person they use what is at hand . As we have seen cars and trucks make a great tool for killing .
Attacking a person with a knife takes some courage; a gun requires far less courage, which makes it the coward's favourite weapon. And there are lots of cowards out there. The fewer the guns, the safer the society. If a high rate of private gun ownership made a society safer, then the US would have the safest cities in the world.
 
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That's because these cases are imaginary. It's a myth of the gun-loving American Right that armed patriots are out there every day shooting down gun-toting scumbags and protecting their homes and families. But I don't think it happens.

If it happened, it would make the news. It doesn't make the news, it didn't take place. It's a myth.

One of the reasons that the Rittenhouse incident has gotten so much media traction is that he can be portrayed as filling the above myth-role. In fact, that's nonsense. Rittenhouse didn't shoot looters. He didn't "defend" anything. He was an underage vigilante who foolishly wandered off by himself and got attacked by a creepy guy with evident mental problems who had just been released from the psych hospital and was wandering around looking for a fight and maybe a "suicide by cop".

When Rittenhouse killed this dude, he was then pursued by other vigilantes. He shot two of those and - yes, it was self-defence. But it was vigilante-on-vigilante self-defence. He wasn't protecting anything but himself and if he had an iota of sense, he would have stayed with his buddies and kept out of trouble.

So.... prove to me that decent, patriotic Americans are attacked by armed scumbags in their homes, offices, malls, titty-bars and bowling alleys every day and that they need to have AR-15's. I'll wait.

There is no point discussing anything with you . I have already proven you write lies . Remember it " never " happens in Europe . So I'm not wasting my time with you anymore . KR was found not guilty . But you are still trying make something out of it .





Just a parting shot for you since you are waiting .
 

sshotrr

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Attacking a person with a knife takes some courage; a gun requires far less courage, which makes it the coward's favourite weapon. And there are lots of cowards out there. The fewer the guns, the safer the society. If a high rate of private gun ownership made a society safer, then the US would have the safest cities in the world.
Don't be involved in drugs and criminal activity . Your chances of being a victim of gun crime is almost zero . I see where your mind set is at you see murderers as courageous that kill with knives . I see both a criminals .
 
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