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oagre said:
Have you been following the legal rulings?

Just curious how the Commonwealth won the "prejudicial vs probative" debate on this one?.... Was it because each witness alleged the odd modus operandi of drugging the vic?
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Yes, it was because they all testified to the same behavior on Cosby's part including how he drugged them.

The silly Law School example I remember is: at an embezzlement trial you can't use that the defendant has been thrice convicted of Assault (since it is merely bad acts -- you must have committed the crime since you are a bad person having committed other crimes). However, if a man dressed in a Burger King Costume commits Armed Robbery at six different McDonalds each time coming in with a firearm and saying "I want it my way, give me the money!" That most certainly can be admitted at trial as a pattern of behaviour
 
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With the whole "Cosby Thing", I am surprised that it was:

* Not turned in to another OJ spectacle.
* Not turned into a "white man is out to get him" issue.
* Not made into some sort of black thing by black lives matter or some other group.

I guess the me too and public opinion has enough power to over rule those groups.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
Yes, it was because they all testified to the same behavior on Cosby's part including how he drugged them.

The silly Law School example I remember is: at an embezzlement trial you can't use that the defendant has been thrice convicted of Assault (since it is merely bad acts -- you must have committed the crime since you are a bad person having committed other crimes). However, if a man dressed in a Burger King Costume commits Armed Robbery at six different McDonalds each time coming in with a firearm and saying "I want it my way, give me the money!" That most certainly can be admitted at trial as a pattern of behaviour
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Up here, we learned the "brides in the bath" story!
 
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Ref said:
With the whole "Cosby Thing", I am surprised that it was:

* Not turned in to another OJ spectacle.
* Not turned into a "white man is out to get him" issue.
* Not made into some sort of black thing by black lives matter or some other group.

I guess the me too and public opinion has enough power to over rule those groups.
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Could also have been a publication ban?
 
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^ In both trials the jury was sequestered. In the first trial the jury was brought in from Pittsburgh, in this trial it was a local suburban Philadelphia jury. No publication ban.
 
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I'm shocked and surprised that a jury actually convicted America's Dad.

Perhaps he brought it on himself, I heard he fired his initial defense team. They weren't aggressive enough in slut shaming the women. The tactics of his new team may have hardened the jury against him.

Somewhere Ed O'Neill must be laughing best. Cosby tried to get Married With Children banned. According to him, it was an affront to family values.

 
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Insidious Von said:
I'm shocked and surprised that a jury actually convicted America's Dad.

Perhaps he brought it on himself, I heard he fired his initial defense team. They weren't aggressive enough in slut shaming the women. The tactics of his new team may have hardened the jury against him.

Somewhere Ed O'Neill must be laughing best. Cosby tried to get Married With Children banned. According to him, it was an affront to family values.

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Not surprised.

If this was 5 or 10 years ago before all the social media witch hunting on pervs, Cosby probably would have got a slap on the wrist. Now, any crime in the public eye seems likely for a lynching.
 
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Ref said:
With the whole "Cosby Thing", I am surprised that it was:

* Not turned in to another OJ spectacle.
* Not turned into a "white man is out to get him" issue.
* Not made into some sort of black thing by black lives matter or some other group.

I guess the me too and public opinion has enough power to over rule those groups.
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Maybe because celebrities breaking the law is commonplace and nobody really cares anymore.

It's all about the internet now, so there's always tons of juicy news. During the OJ days, everyone was funneled into newspapers and tv..... both very limiting in how much info can be communicated.

The net is 24/7 and everyone has a camera.

If Cosby trials were in the mid 90s like OJ, this trial would be all the news.

Now, Cosby will get his 2 or 3 days of news, drift away to a small number last minute editorials, and then get replaced by the next shooting spree event or big article on Donald Trump's Top 10 Ties.
 
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Insidious Von said:
I'm shocked and surprised that a jury actually convicted America's Dad.

Perhaps he brought it on himself, I heard he fired his initial defense team. They weren't aggressive enough in slut shaming the women. The tactics of his new team may have hardened the jury against him.

Somewhere Ed O'Neill must be laughing best. Cosby tried to get Married With Children banned. According to him, it was an affront to family values.

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It's sad that Cosby has such a sickness. In the rest of his public life he was a tremendous force for good.
 
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f/n rapist and predator, Coby should spend the rest of his life in jail with the other dip shit general inmate population.

I get the feeling he wont do any jail time cuz his lawyers will be appealing for years till he crooks lounging at home.
 
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Occasionally said:
Maybe because celebrities breaking the law is commonplace and nobody really cares anymore.

It's all about the internet now, so there's always tons of juicy news. During the OJ days, everyone was funneled into newspapers and tv..... both very limiting in how much info can be communicated.

The net is 24/7 and everyone has a camera.

If Cosby trials were in the mid 90s like OJ, this trial would be all the news.

Now, Cosby will get his 2 or 3 days of news, drift away to a small number last minute editorials, and then get replaced by the next shooting spree event or big article on Donald Trump's Top 10 Ties.
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Or it could simply be #metoo Fatigue. Or the Cosby story is so old that it can't compete with Stormy or whatever else is current.
 
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einar said:
Oagre, we're waiting to hear it!
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A gentleman married a lady and the lady drowned in her bath on the wedding night. It appeared that she had struck her head somehow and then submerged into the bath water. It also appeared that the gentleman - who professed to be ignorant of how the accident had occurred - had insured his wife for a thousand pounds a week or so before.

The prosecution charged first degree murder. The defence claimed unfortunate accident.

On the first day of trial, the prosecution flourished post mortem reports of 4 other ladies, all wedded briefly to the accused and all of whom had drowned in the bath tub on their wedding nights after striking their heads and all of whom were insured for a thousand pounds by the accused. The defence protested that it was improper to adduce evidence of other events at a trial and submitted that the Crown was constrained to use only evidence directly related to the death in question.

The Bench considered the matter and came up with the same rule that Aardy mentioned: If the probative value of the evidence exceeds its prejudicial value, then evidence is admissible. The evidence in the brides in the bath case was so unique and so strikingly compelling that it did more than prejudice the accused by suggesting that he was the sort of man who might be prone to violence. The evidence of the other similar deaths suggested overwhelmingly that the accused had made a business of insuring and then murdering gullible women and had adopted a reliable, but unvarying modus operandi for so doing.

The accused was hanged a month later, following his conviction.
 
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