Best QB to ever play in the NFL Super Bowl era

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On recent form, would you take Brady or Peyton over Eli?

Peyton is the best all around QB out of that group imo. Most accurate and can read the defense like no other QB.

 

[rld]

You are hung up on padded statistics. Tom Brady has been feasting throughout his career on 6 games every year against the hapless Bills, the woeful Dolphins and, until the last two years, the wretched Jets. Meanwhile, Eli has been up against the ferocious Eagles defence and dynamic Cowboys. Only the Redskins were gimmes.

As someone said, you can have your own opinion but you cant have your own facts. And the most telling fact of all is that Eli is 3-1 against Tom Brady! He delivered when it mattered the most. Brady couldnt. So hold dearly to those padded Brady stats. I will take Eli. The only thing Brady has going for him is Gisele Bundchen. Other than that, he is an average QB.

How do you differentiate between padded and unpadded stats for players in the same era? Talk about opinion!

Brady is an average QB? Your fanboy colours are showing through! Have a look at Belichek's w-l record with and without Brady. Then maybe you will suggest Bellichek is an average coach.

Oh...by the by, last time I check peyton was 2-0 v. Eli. Head to head is a fairly meaningless career stat, because it happens so rarely.

 

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You listen to him talk and you see he is doubting himself. His "I sucked pretty bad today" comment after winning AFC championship game? Not good.

Yea, I think so too. Man, talk about action speaks louder then words.. In each of the SB's that he lost to Eli there's a shot of Brady laying on the field on his ass holding his head in his hands. People have a name for it they called it Bradying.lol You can just tell he's a beaten man and his confidence is kaput. I think he takes these loses wayy too hard. Especially a QB he has to be able to let go of any loss and move on and not dwell on the loss or else it can do damage to your confidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaHJ00Vk68&feature=related

 

[alwayslooking]

As a life long Dolphins fan and a huge Marino fan(I went to Canton to see him go into the HOF) I am glad to see the love my boy Dan is getting in this thread. The fact that he didn't win a Bowl I know he'll never really be considered on the same level as others who have. Dan was extremely talented and it came so quickly/easily for him that I don't think he put in some of the work that his peers did.

The top 5 I've seen play are Montana, Marino, Peyton, Brady, and Elway. They can be ranked in any order without a major argument from me. Next would be Favre, Young and Brees with Rodgers and possibly Eli moving into the discussion. Big Ben is a helluva QB but I don't think an all time great. Obviously Unitas, Starr, Graham and maybe even Namath are in the mix but I never saw any of them play so I can't really say.

Anyone putting Bradshaw in the top 5...please that team was stacked. Stabler or Staubach would've won 4 bowls with those Steelers teams and they were probably Bradshaw's 2 biggest QB rivals. I also take some of the lustre off Montana because he worked with an offensive genius and 1 of the greatest head coaches of all time in Walsh.

For the guys who say Brady is "average"...really come on you can't be fucking serious? Every receiver(except for an aging Ocho) he has worked with have enjoyed their greatest success with him. He makes receivers better not the other way around. Does anyone really believe that Gronkowski and Hernandez are that special? The fact that they're going to play with Brady the first few years of their career is going to earn them about an extra 10 million. That's the Brady effect...Deion Branch knows about it

 

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By the way I always thought that Big Ben was crazy overrated wayy more then Brady. I wouldn't even put him in my top 10 QB's I'd want to lead my team in a SB. He was lucky to of played on great well coached Pitt teams that were already established. IMO Roethlisberger's job from the get go was to NOT fcuk up big and to just stick within his skill level and not try any "elite" QBing type throws. One season I watched him closely try and go down field on several occasions to just have his pass either picked or poorly thrown. His job was to just hand-off to the RB or make the short dump pass 10-15yds to the WR. IMO Ben was always the weakest part of those Pitt teams but beacuse the rest of the team was so good and always well coached they still won. In each of his SB wins you could'ov plugged in any of the top 5 QB's in the league at the time and PItt would'ov still won. Hell Kurt Warner, Warren Moon and Steve McNair were much better QB's then Big Ben and those are just names off the top of my head.
Big Ben rant is over.:hand:

 

[alwayslooking]

To reiterate, the Gmen were a wild card team in 2007. They went on the road to defeat #4 seed TB, #1 seed GB and #2 seed Cowboys. And then topped it off by beating the undefeated 18-0 Patriots in SB 42. Just to get to the playoffs this year, the Gmen had to win their last two games against the loud-mouthed Jets (I hate those guys!) and the Cowboys. During the playoffs, the Gmen demolished the Falcons, then went on the road to defeat the defending champion and #1 seed GB and the #2 seed 49ers.

Great players arent always great. They are great when they need to be. In two SB matchups with Tom Brady, Eli Manning led his team to game winning touchdowns. In SB 42, he escaped from the clutches of 3 defenders to deliver a throw/catch for the ages. In SB 46, his 38-yard throw to Mario Manningham has already joined the pantheons of great SB plays. Is there any memorable Tom Brady play on record?

Right now, I will take Eli Manning over any other living QB with the game on the line.

And as for Tom Brady, he is one of the most overrated QBs of all time. He had the great Randy Moss in SB 42 and still couldnt win.

If Eli Manning played for the New England Patriots in the atrocious AFC East and the weak AFC, he would have several more SB rings. If Tom Brady played for the NY Giants in the ferocious NFC East and the ultra-competitive NFC, I doubt he would have even one SB ring.

What league are you watching? It definitely isn't the NFL. FYI Brady beat the so called beasts of the NFC east directly in 1 SB and beat 2 other teams who just so happened to beat the East's best team in the NFC Championship game.

Heck I'm a Dolphins fan who obviously loves the fact that Eli defeated the undefeated Pats and loved the fact that the G men beat the Pats again. As a matter of fact I like Eli and at this stage hate Brady but I have a grasp on reality. The NFC is better than the AFC now but for the 1st half of Brady's career it was the other way around. I don't think the Pats/Steelers/Colts were afraid of the opposition that the NFC put out there for most of the last decade.

Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger have had similiar postseason runs to Eli.

Oh and in '07 the Boys were the 1 seed and the Pack were the 2 seed

I see it as Moss had Brady in 42...Moss had never gotten to a SB until he teamed up with Brady. Moss needed Brady a lot more than Brady needed Moss which has become painfully obvious based on the fact that Randy practically begged to go back to the Pats after he forced his way out of there.

Also it's a week after the SB...if the Pack or Steelers win it all next year then everyone will be saying they would take Rodgers/Big Ben at this time next year like they are saying they would take Eli right now.

 

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I am glad to see the love my boy Dan is getting in this thread. The fact that he didn't win a Bowl I know he'll never really be considered on the same level as others who have.

I don't know about anyone else but I dont rate an Elite team athlete on purely the number of championships they have since soo much xfactors goes into winning a championship in any team sport.

It's just not about having say the best QB in the league and you'll get a ring. #1 you'll need a competitive owner who seeks out the right coach plus who they draft the right defense and offense, coaching staff etc.etc.

It's not that easy to make up a championship NFL team. I don't remember Marino having great defense's on any of his teams so I didn't expect him to win rings but in my mind he was one of the best QB's ever. Also Dan never had the luxury of having a premier running back. I think in his whole career he only had a 1000yd RB ONCE and that was in 1996. Too bad that Barry Sanders deal didnt go through.:frusty:

I still stand by my ranking Marino 2nd on QB's I'd want to lead my team in a SB after Montana but in all honestly its closer then you'd think.

 

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I don't know about anyone else but I dont rate an Elite team athlete on purely the number of championships they have since soo much xfactors goes into winning a championship in any team sport.

It's just not about having say the best QB in the league and you'll get a ring. #1 you'll need a competitive owner who seeks out the right coach plus who they draft the right defense and offense, coaching staff etc.etc.

It's not that easy to make up a championship NFL team. I don't remember Marino having great defense's on any of his teams so I didn't expect him to win rings but in my mind he was one of the best QB's ever. Also Dan never had the luxury of having a premier running back. I think in his whole career he only had a 1000yd RB ONCE and that was in 1996.

I still stand by my ranking Marino 2nd on QB's I'd want to lead my team in a SB after Montana but in all honestly its closer then you'd think.

Yep Don Shula the GM betrayed Don Shula the coach after the Marino pick. The Dolphins had some monumentally bad drafts in the '80's

 

[alwayslooking]

An analogy in basketball would be Shaq versus Kareem. Shaq just bullied his way to baskets while Kareem - with his famous sky hook - was a master practitioner.

I'm shocked you know about Kareem's skill set. Based on your analysis of the the last decade of the NFL I had you pegged at about 22 years old.

 

[alwayslooking]

The only thing you've gotten right so far. LOL

Ok sure. I guess in a decade where the AFC won 7 out of 10 Super Bowls the NFC was the dominant conference and Brady was lucky he played in the weaker half of the league when he won his championships.

 

[Don]

You don't get the chance to lose 3 SB's playing on AVERAGE teams.

LOOK at his teams in the 80's. Where they "great" teams? No. Were they very good teams? No. Look at the rosters. How many studs can you name from those teams? There were a few, but not many.