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Nobody even close? Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Wayne Gretzky? Orr was great, but didn't accomplish a fraction of what Gretzky accomplished. Please explain how Orr is better than Gretzky.
Re: "The Golden Golden"
One question. Who is the more accomplished player? It was a pleasure exposing your stupidity.
milehigh said:
One question. Who is the more accomplished player? It was a pleasure exposing your stupidity.
Awards Wayne has won.
Hart Trophy (81,82,83,84,85,86,87,89)
Art Ross (81,82,83,84,85,86,87,90,91,94)
Lady Byng (80,91,92,94)
Conn Smyhthe (85,88)
Lester B. Pearson (82,83,84,85,87)
25 points in 18 all star games
50 goals in 39 games (Got 5 goals in his 39th game)
Holds 61 (yes, 61) NHL records
Shall your lesson continue?
Hart Trophy (81,82,83,84,85,86,87,89)
Art Ross (81,82,83,84,85,86,87,90,91,94)
Lady Byng (80,91,92,94)
Conn Smyhthe (85,88)
Lester B. Pearson (82,83,84,85,87)
25 points in 18 all star games
50 goals in 39 games (Got 5 goals in his 39th game)
Holds 61 (yes, 61) NHL records
Shall your lesson continue?
Bobby Orr !
Gentlemen
I look at it from this perspective:
Bobby Orr revolutionized the way the defense position is played. Before him defensemen were typically stay-at-home, clear the front of the net, and pass the puck up ice.
Bobby Orr changed all that. Not only did he turn the position into an offensive one he won the scoring title in 1970 and 1975.
For this reason I think he had the most impact on the game and therefore has been the greatest player of my lifetime.
I still think Wayne Gretzky was a terrific player, led his teams to more Stanley Cups than Orr and continues to be a great ambassador for the game
However my vote would still go to Bobby Orr
Gentlemen
I look at it from this perspective:
Bobby Orr revolutionized the way the defense position is played. Before him defensemen were typically stay-at-home, clear the front of the net, and pass the puck up ice.
Bobby Orr changed all that. Not only did he turn the position into an offensive one he won the scoring title in 1970 and 1975.
For this reason I think he had the most impact on the game and therefore has been the greatest player of my lifetime.
I still think Wayne Gretzky was a terrific player, led his teams to more Stanley Cups than Orr and continues to be a great ambassador for the game
However my vote would still go to Bobby Orr
70s Canadiens
For the best team:
The Montreal Canadiens of the mid-late 70s. They had Guy LaFleur, Jacques Lemaire, Ken Dryden, Larry Robinson ...and on.. and on..it goes
For the best team:
The Montreal Canadiens of the mid-late 70s. They had Guy LaFleur, Jacques Lemaire, Ken Dryden, Larry Robinson ...and on.. and on..it goes
the debate goes on
This argument could go on forever. I'll say Mario Lemieux. Before his retirement was the only player ever to average 2 points a game. Wayne had the respect of the league, no one touched him, he could dance around and do whatever he wanted. Mario is the most abused superstar ever. It's a shame Mario's career has been injury filled, would of loved to of seen what he could of done healthy.
This argument could go on forever. I'll say Mario Lemieux. Before his retirement was the only player ever to average 2 points a game. Wayne had the respect of the league, no one touched him, he could dance around and do whatever he wanted. Mario is the most abused superstar ever. It's a shame Mario's career has been injury filled, would of loved to of seen what he could of done healthy.
Best player - Bobby Orr without a doubt. Still remains the only defenseman ever to win the Art Ross trophy. In his prime had a ridiculous +/- of +140. He could control a game like no one else before or since. Don't go by the career stats Rusty, Orr's career was cut short in his prime by injuries. Not too mention the 76 Canada Cup where he was by far the best player in the tournament, and pretty much on one leg.
Best team - likely the late 70's Canadiens.
Best team - likely the late 70's Canadiens.
Gretzky had all those records only because he was healthy, resulting in playing more. he played with tons of stars, which helped his stats. also, keep in mind that he played in the high-scoring 80s, where just anybody could get 100 points a season. Lemieux had more skill than any other player EVER. u put a healthy lemieux, in the 80s, with that oilers lineup, he holds all the records. as Lemieux translates in french, THE BEST!
Its hard to compare players in different eras. How many points would Wayne score in todays clutch and grab, neutral zone trap?
He also played in a more watered down league which had more than 6 teams. If he played in the 60's and 70's he would still have been great, but his numbers would be deflated. IMHO>
He also played in a more watered down league which had more than 6 teams. If he played in the 60's and 70's he would still have been great, but his numbers would be deflated. IMHO>
Nobody controlled the pace of the game or had a bigger impact on the way the game was played than Bobby Orr and he did most of it on one knee. Had his career not been cut short by injuries would likely have as many records for d-men as Wayne does for forwards. Orr could skate, shoot, pass(how do you think Espo scored all those goals), hit, defend and fight when he had to. Absolutley the best to ever play the game.
Someone on the FAN radio station (forget who) came up with what I feel is an excellent criterion for evaluating/comparing hockey players (excluding goaltenders). Ask the following question:
Could the player in question have played any position (excluding goal) almost equally well?
Where Orr is concerned, I think he would have made a superb forward. Can you imagine Gretzky playing defense (clearing the front of the net; digging the puck out of corners; blocking shots; driving onrushing forwards into the boards; etc)???? I certainly couldn't!
Could the player in question have played any position (excluding goal) almost equally well?
Where Orr is concerned, I think he would have made a superb forward. Can you imagine Gretzky playing defense (clearing the front of the net; digging the puck out of corners; blocking shots; driving onrushing forwards into the boards; etc)???? I certainly couldn't!
At their absolute prime, Mario was by far the best overall, and it is a clustered distant second.
I would give Wayne a slight edge in passing, but despite all of his goals, I never considered Wayne to be a sniper.
Alone on a goalie, Wayne was not even close to being one of the best, in fact, he was rather horrible.
Wayne had the most outstanding career.
Orr would be a star today but he would not be nearly as dominant.
The game has evolved alot.
These guys are training year-round with state of the art technology and nutrition.
I would give Wayne a slight edge in passing, but despite all of his goals, I never considered Wayne to be a sniper.
Alone on a goalie, Wayne was not even close to being one of the best, in fact, he was rather horrible.
Wayne had the most outstanding career.
Orr would be a star today but he would not be nearly as dominant.
The game has evolved alot.
These guys are training year-round with state of the art technology and nutrition.
