Best General in battle

[james t kirk]

Uh, from what I have studied, other than Market Garden, Monty was loved by his men because he refused to send them into a hopeless situation. Until he had the necessary force to win, he didn't engage.

If you're an average grunt soldier, that's the kind of guy you want at the helm.

And lest we forget, but D-Day was Monty's plan. Not Ike's. Not Patton's. Not any American's. Monty's.

 

[Keebler Elf]

Is this the best general of all time or the best general of WWII??? Cuz the generals in WWII, IMHO, pale in comparison to some of history's great generals. Most of the older generals were actually on the battlefield and not hundreds of miles away in a bunker. Some of the generals even participated in the battles.

To compare Patton to some of history's great generals is an insult. It's one thing to drive your forces to the point of exhaustion and death, it's quite another to brilliantly utilize your forces and achieve grand strategic objectives.

Someone like a Napoleon far outshines Patton--and I'm not even a big fan of Napoleon. Rommel was far more imaginative and creative in his tactics and he did far more with far less, not to mention fighting in a secondary/tertiary theatre of battle for the Germans. Monty is WAYYYY overrated. He showed up in Africa when the Afrikakorp was all but spent.

Even William the Conqueror or Clovis, IMO, achieved far more than Rommel and Patton put together. What about Julius Caesar? Scipio Africanus? Hannibal of Carthage? And it's unbelievable no one's mentioned Sun Tzu!

I'd give them far better props than modern generals, especially since all modern generals study and base their tactics off historical masterminds.

 

[james t kirk]

And as far as favourite General goes, my vote is for Isaac Brock.

Forgot about him did ya?

I love reading about this guy and how he disobeyed orders to defend Canada against the invading American hoards and instead took the fight to the Americans winning at Fort Mackinac, Detroit, and Queenston Heights.

During his funeral, the British gave him a 21 gun salute. When they were done, the Americans on the other side of the Niagara River also gave him a 21 gun salute.

 

[Corey]

How about Ike?

Not only did he have to deal with the huge egos in Patton and Monty, he probably had to babysit de Gaulle, Churchill and FDR as well.

Plus, of course, he had to lead the way in beating the Nazis.

 

[habanabob]

Ke

you said " Is this the best general of all time or the best general of WWII??? Cuz the generals in WWII, IMHO, pale in comparison to some of history's great generals. Most of the older generals were actually on the battlefield and not hundreds of miles away in a bunker. Some of the generals even participated in the battles.( yes your right Patton was on the battlefield so whats your point !! )


To compare Patton to some of history's great generals is an insult. It's one thing to drive your forces to the point of exhaustion and death, it's quite another to brilliantly utilize your forces and achieve grand strategic objectives.

( yes if you have time like Montey , didnt you read anything in school or on here ... he had to turn and march he was ordered to do so because 10s of thousands more Americans would have been captured and or killed, bet those soliders who made it home because as you say in your words "It's one thing to drive your forces to the point of exhaustion and death" are glad you were not in charge , you may have had A tea party set up for any one who made it back alive, because they would not have been able to count on you would they)

So go back to your book you opened to get involved in this discussion and read it before you come on here and make a complete ass of your self… for gods sakes man have some dignity. Don’t go to a gun fight with a knife .

Someone like a Napoleon far outshines Patton--and I'm not even a big fan of Napoleon. Rommel was far more imaginative and creative in his tactics and he did far more with far less, not to mention fighting in a secondary/tertiary theatre of battle for the Germans. Monty is WAYYYY overrated. He showed up in Africa when the Afrikakorp was all but spent.

Even William the Conqueror or Clovis, IMO, achieved far more than Rommel and Patton put together. What about Julius Caesar? Scipio Africanus? Hannibal of Carthage? And it's unbelievable no one's mentioned Sun Tzu!

I'd give them far better props than modern generals, esp

(My dont we love the sound of our own thoughts)

what ever lets get back to the thread The greatest AMERICAN GENERAL !!!!

 

[Mr. Downtown]

Alexander the Great

 

[habanabob]

for get it

I give up we cant even have a decient conversation with out being threatened

So im out of this topic .

 

[y2kmark]

A Little Surprised

That so much has been said about the Civil War without any mention of either Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson or Nathan Bedford Forrest. Both are still in military textbooks for winning against long odds.

There is also a general named Bellasarius (Byzantine) that both Jackson and Patton studied. A lot of the "greatest" generals fought against long odds because they were fighting for lost causes. Chief Tecumseh is another one you might want to look up.

I'm most surprised, however, that nobody has mentioned Arthur Currie, since he was Canadian. He was the first one to solve the huge war of attrition during WW One at the Battle of Vimy Ridge. His tactics were used by the americans later and are more responsible than the advent of the tank for breaking the stalemate on the western front and ending the war.

 

[Keebler Elf]

In terms of America's best generals,

Hmmm, I can't think of one. At least not on a global stage. In terms of only American generals, maybe Washington.

But America doesn't have a history of great generals that doesn't involve ripping off the ideas of other generals. Gulf War I was a textbook ripoff of the German blitzkrieg against France and low countries.

 

[Esco!]

I give up we cant even have a decient conversation with out being threatened

So im out of this topic .

Can you show us the exact post where we threatened you??

 

[Shtumffed]

And as far as favourite General goes, my vote is for Isaac Brock.

Forgot about him did ya?

I love reading about this guy and how he disobeyed orders to defend Canada against the invading American hoards and instead took the fight to the Americans winning at Fort Mackinac, Detroit, and Queenston Heights.

During his funeral, the British gave him a 21 gun salute. When they were done, the Americans on the other side of the Niagara River also gave him a 21 gun salute.

Absolutely! the only really sad part is that he didn't have the opportunity to show more of his skill. That's what you get for wearing a bright red tunic and riding around on white charger. Don't forget though that Van Ranselear was and idiot.

 

[Bill the Pirate]

I was excitedly scanning all the replies and not really reading the posts just so I could be the one to say SIR Isacc Brock

dammit jim

 

[Esco!]

I'm surprised noone has mentioned General Electric.

Where would we be without him??!!!

 

[Binky]

Werner Klemperer

 

[hacker1]

But In His Own Mind Dougout Doug Macarthur !

 

[great bear]

I'm surprised noone has mentioned General Electric.

Where would we be without him??!!!

Esco you neglected General Mills who is famous for routing Colonel Kellog. And you also neglected General Motors who has lost many recent battles to the Japanese army.

 

[Esco!]

Esco you neglected General Mills who is famous for routing Colonel Kellog. And you also neglected General Motors who has lost many recent battles to the Japanese army.

Now thats brilliant









Unlike most of your other posts