Being greedy in the MA world

[Mark.Mat]

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE will not turn me off more than being greedy. It doesn’t even matter how hot or amazing your sessions are. By being greedy I do not mean, paying for prices that you were already informed. For of course the girls are free to charge or upcharge as much as they want.

I will always tip the most the girls that never asked for a tip and are super chill and are always happy to see you. And always thank you when you tip well. Something insane triggers in my brain and I will tip double just to reward her for her amazing attitude. It’s weird. But if you are greedy, I will only pay what we agreed upon and not even 1 cent more.

Examples of being greedy:
1. The session has just started and the first comment the girl makes: you are going to tip me well, right? Not even a first hello. Yes, this has happened to me.

2. Girls that never say thank you when you tip them. Don’t assume I owe you a massive tip.

3. When you have started seeing a girl regularly, and one day you might tip her a bit less (because sometimes you just might not have money to tip extravagantly) and then she gives you a weird face or make a passive aggressive comment about how you are tipping her a bit less this time.

4. Irrational upcharges that make no sense. 20$ to touch her right boob.

5. Whispering to my ear the upcharges again, after I have already declined them once.

 

[terbzoo]

I 100% agree with your comments but asI have become older and wiser let a lot slide because it appears to me a lot of providers are on the extreme left part of the IQ bell curve.
I have met very smart providers as well but if we're talking averages....

 

[prohibido]

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE will not turn me off more than being greedy. It doesn’t even matter how hot or amazing your sessions are. By being greedy I do not mean, paying for prices that you were already informed. For of course the girls are free to charge or upcharge as much as they want.

I will always tip the most the girls that never asked for a tip and are super chill and are always happy to see you. And always thank you when you tip well. Something insane triggers in my brain and I will tip double just to reward her for her amazing attitude. It’s weird. But if you are greedy, I will only pay what we agreed upon and not even 1 cent more.

Examples of being greedy:
1. The session has just started and the first comment the girl makes: you are going to tip me well, right? Not even a first hello. Yes, this has happened to me.

2. Girls that never say thank you when you tip them. Don’t assume I owe you a massive tip.

3. When you have started seeing a girl regularly, and one day you might tip her a bit less (because sometimes you just might not have money to tip extravagantly) and then she gives you a weird face or make a passive aggressive comment about how you are tipping her a bit less this time.

4. Irrational upcharges that make no sense. 20$ to touch her right boob.

5. Whispering to my ear the upcharges again, after I have already declined them once.

100% agree. I find paying for sex or sexual services is unlike any other business interaction. The best interactions with repeated visits have to strike a delicate balance. A balance between keeping the client/provider relationship in a way that I don't forget that this is a job for the lady and the lady making sure that money does not become the focus of the interaction. When the balance is off, the lady might feel that I am overreaching, or I feel that she sees the money first and I am a distant second.
Of course though, if the lady does not care about repeat visits then the focus is how to get as much money from the client while giving him the bare minimum...

 

[Pinkpanther80]

For me tipping a provider is as dumb as tipping to pick up a pizza at the location and just something I won’t do. I pay the agreed upon price on arrival and that’s it!
The only other tip I’m providing is slightly bigger than average!

 

[Assblaster]

That's a good and fair assessment

 

[Mark.Mat]

100% agree. I find paying for sex or sexual services is unlike any other business interaction. The best interactions with repeated visits have to strike a delicate balance. A balance between keeping the client/provider relationship in a way that I don't forget that this is a job for the lady and the lady making sure that money does not become the focus of the interaction. When the balance is off, the lady might feel that I am overreaching, or I feel that she sees the money first and I am a distant second.
Of course though, if the lady does not care about repeat visits then the focus is how to get as much money from the client while giving him the bare minimum...

Fully agree. I find though that in this business, just like any other business, if you focus first on providing an excellent service, your reputation will grow, and so will your pay. I mean look at all the excellent providers: they are always fully booked. It shows that people are willing to come back again and again. That is called great branding and great service. Sure you might have once in a while some nasty idiot take advantage of your generosity and good will, but overall most customers will absolutely value it and not take it for granted.

Look at any business: if a plumber is greedy and will charge me extra for every single small thing, I will not call him again. If a restaurant will charge me extra for a glass of water, I will not go there again. And eventually the bad word gets out, and you run out of customers: and you start preying on victims who just started this hobby.

If you focus first on making as much money as possible in as little time as possible, its a strategy for failure. I have been long enough in this business to see that the girls who do this only last 2 months max, then open an OnlyFans that is also doomed to fail, and then eventually make some stupid twitter post about how Ottawa clients are the worst. Surely the providers who are always fully booked are not complaining about Ottawa clients

 

[daemonhead]

Fully agree. I find though that in this business, just like any other business, if you focus first on providing an excellent service, your reputation will grow, and so will your pay. I mean look at all the excellent providers: they are always fully booked. It shows that people are willing to come back again and again. That is called great branding and great service. Sure you might have once in a while some nasty idiot take advantage of your generosity and good will, but overall most customers will absolutely value it and not take it for granted.

Look at any business: if a plumber is greedy and will charge me extra for every single small thing, I will not call him again. If a restaurant will charge me extra for a glass of water, I will not go there again. And eventually the bad word gets out, and you run out of customers: and you start preying on victims who just started this hobby.

If you focus first on making as much money as possible in as little time as possible, its a strategy for failure. I have been long enough in this business to see that the girls who do this only last 2 months max, then open an OnlyFans that is also doomed to fail, and then eventually make some stupid twitter post about how Ottawa clients are the worst. Surely the providers who are always fully booked are not complaining about Ottawa clients

You're on point with the providers that are always booked. This has served me well with the spas. At Alpha for example, I look into the booking tool who has less spaces available during the day or the week. That will give you an idea if she's a solid provider.
Just look how fast ladies like Evelynn or Zoe get booked at Alpha, and there's nothing but positive comments for them on the MA list.

 

[William St]

I 100% agree with your comments but asI have become older and wiser let a lot slide because it appears to me a lot of providers are on the extreme left part of the IQ bell curve.
I have met very smart providers as well but if we're talking averages....

These gold-diggers haven't learned the lesson that every wife knows...the nicer you are to your man, the more you'll get!

 

[Mandalorian]

Yes, this year I took a chance on a couple of new faces and was shocked at how cold and transactional they were with up charges for literally everything (“$50 for you to see my kitty”-actual quote). Total turn off, and you see their twitter complaining about lack of bookings.

 

[William St]

Yes, this year I took a chance on a couple of new faces and was shocked at how cold and transactional they were with up charges for literally everything (“$50 for you to see my kitty”-actual quote). Total turn off, and you see their twitter complaining about lack of bookings.

Every business knows (except these women)...if you don't treat your customer with respect, you won't get any sales.

 

[Tango Urilla]

Every business knows (except these women)...if you don't treat your customer with respect, you won't get any sales.

They will still get sales, just less and not repeat business.

 

[bloodless]

depending on the age of the provider - greed / entitlement - may be baked-in to their mode of operation - simply because that's the generation they were raised into.
it sucks, for sure - because the delicate balance of pricing vs service - that is acceptable to (both sides) - is difficult to achieve.
i know for certain, that if i were to go in with certain agreements on pricing/service, only to be met with a list of pricey up-charges - that will be the end of it.

 

[maxers]

while it might be greed, i think it's also girls who really shouldn't be doing the job that lead to terrible upcharges.

because deep down they dont want to do this work, and they are ashamed. but there also just women who want $$ at any cost to their brand toronto ma's are the worst for this

 

[Ganymede]

while it might be greed, i think it's also girls who really shouldn't be doing the job that lead to terrible upcharges.

because deep down they dont want to do this work, and they are ashamed. but there also just women who want $$ at any cost to their brand toronto ma's are the worst for this

100% brother

 

[Hawkeye22]

Nothing breaks the mood more than when i'm massaging a lady and working my way down, she spreads her legs and as i'm kissing her ass and about to...she stops and says "there is an additional charge for oral on me...".
Boner kill....really? lay it out at the beginning of the session, we agree and go from there. Happened to me a week ago at Alpha....
Ladies, please, this is an escape for us from everyday life. We had upcharges all our life in our marriage!!

Hawk

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

I think personally everything would be better out in the open PRIOR (I understand why some people prefer in room YMMV situations though)

I know I am also someone that has "GFE sensual massage" rates which are higher than the standard "club ma rates" but for ME I include all the fun GFE stuff in that price, it is up to someone if they want to do it or not but that way there is no "this is ___$"

Obviously after 10+ years I know what I am comfortable offering as a base for my clients when it comes to my body. (obviously there are exceptions for poor oral / overall hygiene )

I think the biggest things (although many have complained on here OVER AND OVER that prices are too high) that the MA standard rate hasn't increased much in the past ten years.

in 2017 the rate for MA was 180H and now its 200H (which is standard across the board)
If you look at the past 7/8 years how many other things have gone up (SP, and living expenses) it is crazy the MA rate has not followed suit.
YES I KNOW WE ALL WANT 100h but thats not realistic now is it lol

My point is that a lot of girls charge extra for things that "back in my day" was a standard, which everyone is definitely entitled to do what ever they want with their body... my only though is what if 250h get you a GFE session would you be more open to paying that knowing you could kiss, lick etc? or would it be back to the "the rates are too high"

Also a lot of people on here seem to book MA sessions while looking for something a lot closer to another two letter combo... then complain about it being so expensive
(Standard MA session is shower for two, sensual massage & manual release, your corndog going into other locations is no longer MA)

 

[cheektocheek]

I think personally everything would be better out in the open PRIOR (I understand why some people prefer in room YMMV situations though)

I know I am also someone that has "GFE sensual massage" rates which are higher than the standard "club ma rates" but for ME I include all the fun GFE stuff in that price, it is up to someone if they want to do it or not but that way there is no "this is ___$"

Obviously after 10+ years I know what I am comfortable offering as a base for my clients when it comes to my body. (obviously there are exceptions for poor oral / overall hygiene )

I think the biggest things (although many have complained on here OVER AND OVER that prices are too high) that the MA standard rate hasn't increased much in the past ten years.

in 2017 the rate for MA was 180H and now its 200H (which is standard across the board)
If you look at the past 7/8 years how many other things have gone up (SP, and living expenses) it is crazy the MA rate has not followed suit.
YES I KNOW WE ALL WANT 100h but thats not realistic now is it lol

My point is that a lot of girls charge extra for things that "back in my day" was a standard, which everyone is definitely entitled to do what ever they want with their body... my only though is what if 250h get you a GFE session would you be more open to paying that knowing you could kiss, lick etc? or would it be back to the "the rates are too high"

Also a lot of people on here seem to book MA sessions while looking for something a lot closer to another two letter combo... then complain about it being so expensive
(Standard MA session is shower for two, sensual massage & manual release, your corndog going into other locations is no longer MA)

Nadia I think no matter the rate high or low you will always have your complaining group

 

[NadiaLovechanko]

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE will not turn me off more than being greedy. It doesn’t even matter how hot or amazing your sessions are. By being greedy I do not mean, paying for prices that you were already informed. For of course the girls are free to charge or upcharge as much as they want.

I will always tip the most the girls that never asked for a tip and are super chill and are always happy to see you. And always thank you when you tip well. Something insane triggers in my brain and I will tip double just to reward her for her amazing attitude. It’s weird. But if you are greedy, I will only pay what we agreed upon and not even 1 cent more.

Examples of being greedy:
1. The session has just started and the first comment the girl makes: you are going to tip me well, right? Not even a first hello. Yes, this has happened to me.

2. Girls that never say thank you when you tip them. Don’t assume I owe you a massive tip.

3. When you have started seeing a girl regularly, and one day you might tip her a bit less (because sometimes you just might not have money to tip extravagantly) and then she gives you a weird face or make a passive aggressive comment about how you are tipping her a bit less this time.

4. Irrational upcharges that make no sense. 20$ to touch her right boob.

5. Whispering to my ear the upcharges again, after I have already declined them once.

These are just MY personal opinions
1- A tip should never be expected but always appreciated (if you get the girl to come in off schedule, outfit request or something that made HER have to put in extra effort I suggest tipping)

2- Odd to me that people wouldn't say thank you... I even say thank you when someone makes me cum (my parents raised a very polite girl)

3- So I can see a bit where this may come from, FOR EXAMPLE: Steven always book 90min, tips 150$ every since time (its been say 16 times) one day he doesn't tip, I would follow up and ask if I did something wrong or if he wasn't happy with our session. Not because I NEED the tip, but more because I notice a difference and want to make sure I didn't do something wrong to possibly taint our time together (that is more on trying to maintain good customer relations).. but if it is said in a "you owe me money way" then I fully get why it would be upsetting

4&5 fully agree

 

[Theredmilf]

I think personally everything would be better out in the open PRIOR (I understand why some people prefer in room YMMV situations though)

I know I am also someone that has "GFE sensual massage" rates which are higher than the standard "club ma rates" but for ME I include all the fun GFE stuff in that price, it is up to someone if they want to do it or not but that way there is no "this is ___$"

Obviously after 10+ years I know what I am comfortable offering as a base for my clients when it comes to my body. (obviously there are exceptions for poor oral / overall hygiene )

I think the biggest things (although many have complained on here OVER AND OVER that prices are too high) that the MA standard rate hasn't increased much in the past ten years.

in 2017 the rate for MA was 180H and now its 200H (which is standard across the board)
If you look at the past 7/8 years how many other things have gone up (SP, and living expenses) it is crazy the MA rate has not followed suit.
YES I KNOW WE ALL WANT 100h but thats not realistic now is it lol

My point is that a lot of girls charge extra for things that "back in my day" was a standard, which everyone is definitely entitled to do what ever they want with their body... my only though is what if 250h get you a GFE session would you be more open to paying that knowing you could kiss, lick etc? or would it be back to the "the rates are too high"

Also a lot of people on here seem to book MA sessions while looking for something a lot closer to another two letter combo... then complain about it being so expensive
(Standard MA session is shower for two, sensual massage & manual release, your corndog going into other locations is no longer MA)

What you wrote makes a lot of sense Nadia. I know neither of us are transactional ladies and we offer a lot more than just a list of services but even if one were to only take into account the service differential between any basic MA service and a basic SP service (what constitutes the MA “extras”) It stands to reason the corollary upgrade in fees should be at least *150-200 and that’s without getting into additional value a provider can bring to the table in terms of look, the experience offered and professionalism. To me it’s already surprising that an erotic massage is not much higher than a therapeutic massage when you include tax & tip so maybe the base fee is just too low now to be interesting?

Since the pandemic and subsequent runaway inflation, we all know things are a lot more expensive. Most businesses increased prices but some catering to budget-conscious markets addressed increased costs with shrinkflation. This takes away a pain point for the consumer and so I can completely understand why spa MAs might choose this strategy to continue to offer a service at essentially the same price but upcharge more on any gourmet add-ons which are and always were optional. But when it takes away from the core experience, think WestJet basic, customers just hate it and so sometimes it’s just better to raise your prices. I now pay more for Air Canada case in point.

Not sure I like the term greedy here. It is often said of women that we are bitchy for merely speaking, greedy when we ask to be valued and many other unsavoury terms when we’re sexual. An easy way to tell if this is sexist is by asking if we would be breaking down men for the same reason? With the exception of the billionaires and the elite class, men seem to be able to earn whatever they like in the marketplace without being called out as greedy. Is it greedy to want 50 bucks to share an intimate part of your body? Is it wrong women are valuing themselves more? Or is it maybe just that everyone has the right to set their own value and we don’t like not to be able to afford things we want?

Cost is a separate issue from a disrespectful attitude with which someone delivers their sales pitch and I think @Mark.Mat gave some good examples of a poorly played upsell. It sounds like some providers are sending the wrong message and making clients feel extorted. It takes some experience and finesse to put expensive extras on the table without making your gentleman feel demoralized or devalued, so this is probably an area some could work on!

I think we can all relate when a sommelier hands the wine list and we don’t want to be made to feel less valued or cheap for ordering an affordable bottle nor hustled into something out of our budget. I personally want the same amazing service either way. And if the issue is that the restaurant and staff are not making their money without upselling, I would prefer they charge more on the basic menu than feeling squeezed for extras. To the gentleman that classified “extras” as water, I disagree. Kissing, blowjobs, DATY, penetration are the foie gras, champagne, caviar and truffles if not the steak.

There was recently a revived thread where Ottawa clients were complaining about fees 20 years ago which was eye-opening. I’ve lived here off and on since Junior kindergarten and I feel we’re a very price-conscious city relative to demographics for higher incomes and lower cost of living. We can afford more than many are willing to part with for our luxuries but we want them all the same. Unfortunately we also have a pretty entitled workforce which isn’t particularly industrious nor notably service-oriented that would make the whole experience of enjoying life’s pleasures truly delightful.

A great experience happens when a client feels well cared for and a provider feels well compensated. If both can improve, we will have a healthier industry with happier clients. You guys know I’m right, it’s not the fee, it’s how you experience value and feel valued.

 

[Slobus]

[ ] Unfortunately we also have a pretty entitled workforce which isn’t particularly industrious nor notably service-oriented...

An apt statement from my experience with the work force 'round these parts.

Thankfully, not something I've experienced much of while hobbying... and yes, I reminisce quite fondly of Ruby as my companionship sommelier ;--)