Begging in Tim Hortons...........
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eric42 said:
Ah grasshopper you have returned. Be careful what you start, you end not know. Surprise big be you may.
eric42 said:
This sounds like sarcasm. If so, other people have questioned you about your IQ score.
You should be concerned about that.
danmand said:That is part of what we conservatives do: If we do not agree with people, first we label them as liberals, then we question their intelligence.
What are your, personaly doing to improve the lives of the homeless????????
Remember the "what do you say to a homeless man" campaign?
It's not as simple as it seems.
I have encountered homeless people with and without addiction problems. From all walks of life from total dereliction to once proud careers as contractors and judges and clergy. The split between hard times caused by spiralling health issues and just plain bad luck is pretty much even with problems brought on by addiction So for every addict on the street there is a guy who really tried hard and failed.
The one thing both have in common is their desperate need to seperate themselves from institutional living in shelters. And sneaky tactics are a sign of just how desperate they are.
Shelters may not be an actual prison but it might as well be. Though you are free to leave, you can't because the welfare system will not provide funds for private shelter until you secure a residence. And you cannot secure a residence without money. Also without residence you cannot legally secure employment or regular family heath care. The system does hold you back.
While in a shelter, if you ask nicely and behave and fill out the right forms, they will provide you with enough cash to pay ONE transit fare each day to pursue needed life improvements, such as a job or a home.
If you spend more than two weeks in the shelter system without improving your situation then you are kicked out to the street. Alternatively they offer you money for transportation to use another shelter in the province. So that may be in another city as much as 200 or 300 km away. So the Toronto homeless man has to spend his winters travelling to Peterborough, and Sudbury, and Oshawa, and Kingtson, and London, and Niagra Falls before coming back to Toronto. Why not just use the transportation money and apply it to better reforms? Because you would have to deprive 12 guys of transportation to start one guy up in a new home. And buying long distance bus tickets is a waste of money on men who will not use them. Giving men cash to provide for their own transportation and leaving the choice to them is just another way of enabling their addiction. Where is the rehabilitation for these men?
Yet charity and welfare help women all the time. Apartments, food banks, food stamps, access to advanced health care just seems to fall out of the sky if you are female. A few token men with child custody benefit from this system as well but these are extreme cases where the man has a support system that would admonish CAS for wrongfully stepping in as they often prefer to do in the case of fathers.
The system is not perfect. But there is noone to blame except those who will not help themselves or others when they truly can. The wisdom of Solomon cannot provide for the deserving and weed out the wasteful.
So do not give to the homeless guy but each time you see one put aside a dollar for the Salvation Army or the United Way.
It's not as simple as it seems.
I have encountered homeless people with and without addiction problems. From all walks of life from total dereliction to once proud careers as contractors and judges and clergy. The split between hard times caused by spiralling health issues and just plain bad luck is pretty much even with problems brought on by addiction So for every addict on the street there is a guy who really tried hard and failed.
The one thing both have in common is their desperate need to seperate themselves from institutional living in shelters. And sneaky tactics are a sign of just how desperate they are.
Shelters may not be an actual prison but it might as well be. Though you are free to leave, you can't because the welfare system will not provide funds for private shelter until you secure a residence. And you cannot secure a residence without money. Also without residence you cannot legally secure employment or regular family heath care. The system does hold you back.
While in a shelter, if you ask nicely and behave and fill out the right forms, they will provide you with enough cash to pay ONE transit fare each day to pursue needed life improvements, such as a job or a home.
If you spend more than two weeks in the shelter system without improving your situation then you are kicked out to the street. Alternatively they offer you money for transportation to use another shelter in the province. So that may be in another city as much as 200 or 300 km away. So the Toronto homeless man has to spend his winters travelling to Peterborough, and Sudbury, and Oshawa, and Kingtson, and London, and Niagra Falls before coming back to Toronto. Why not just use the transportation money and apply it to better reforms? Because you would have to deprive 12 guys of transportation to start one guy up in a new home. And buying long distance bus tickets is a waste of money on men who will not use them. Giving men cash to provide for their own transportation and leaving the choice to them is just another way of enabling their addiction. Where is the rehabilitation for these men?
Yet charity and welfare help women all the time. Apartments, food banks, food stamps, access to advanced health care just seems to fall out of the sky if you are female. A few token men with child custody benefit from this system as well but these are extreme cases where the man has a support system that would admonish CAS for wrongfully stepping in as they often prefer to do in the case of fathers.
The system is not perfect. But there is noone to blame except those who will not help themselves or others when they truly can. The wisdom of Solomon cannot provide for the deserving and weed out the wasteful.
So do not give to the homeless guy but each time you see one put aside a dollar for the Salvation Army or the United Way.
eric42 said:
Brilliant. You really showed me.
I thought I would add the sarcastic smiley because I know sarcasm is usually lost on you.
danmand said:
I don't know danmand. When it comes to nasty retorts, Papa can come up with some good ones.
I guess sometimes, being a grumpy old man has it's advantages.
They have to be careful with vagrants because I've seen them get violent (it was at Tims when I witnessed it). The guy took off before the cops arrived but he was clearly a mental case.
As much as I realize gutting the mental health system has put all the patients out on the street, sometimes I just pine for a good 'ol fashioned ass whuppin to clean up Toronto.
As much as I realize gutting the mental health system has put all the patients out on the street, sometimes I just pine for a good 'ol fashioned ass whuppin to clean up Toronto.
