Be clear...what IS P.S.E.

[fmahovalich]

I know..I know..Its Porn Star Experience!!!

But truly MOST girls don't offer it. They offer a GFE or modified GFE. Generally this includes... BBBJ..some with BBBJCIM and BBBJCIMSW. The usual DFK, LFK ..a couple SOG's.. some 69...kitty action. etc.


NOW TO ME...this is all pretty hot. And it should be quite a leap to get to PSE. BUT ...what EXTRAS would make it PSE. I get the sense that PSE girls in Toronto really just offer GFE and SAY they offer PSE.

Now if we think this is PSE..why then are the girls not advertising it as such. Are they trying to maintain the YMMV factor??

WHat do you guys think truly must go on for a girl to advertise as PSE.

If we eliminate the YMMV factor.

CAUSE IT SURE IS HARD TO FIND PSE!!!

Heres a wee example....NO?

http://www.redtube.com/26382

 

[nolabel]

I've said this before, but PSE is what your girlfriend would do for you - sexually - if you relinquished your right to ask for a single other thing!

Or, maybe . . . it's the experiene you get when the client is too silly to detect a manufactured illusion, or is not all that silly, but damn she sure can act well.

Slightly facetious, I know. Personally, does it seem to anyone that a sensible answer here might include the thought that asking for PSE is asking for illusion, so to then push for a clear definition of PSE is a bit counter-productive? Just a (philosophical?) thought. The same logic does not apply to GFE, which I think is OK to get a bit more consensus on.

 

[Brill]

Ignore the term since the definition isn't agreed upon by men or women.

One woman I met gave the wildest sex I've known, she had few limits but it was a covered bj with her and that was okay with me.

Do we really want rigid menus anyway? Why not encourage them to mix it up and maybe offer something no one else does.

 

[Cycleguy007]

I am WELL aware of what a PSE is...

That is when you watch a porno with your wife/ GF/ S/O and she turns and looks at you with that coy smile she has and says, "You know babe.... I want you to do me just like that!"

 

[Brill]

It's usually bareback sex in porn, I sure don't want that kind of PSE from women on Terb. :rolls eyes:

 

[genintoronto]

Slightly facetious, I know. Personally, does it seem to anyone that a sensible answer here might include the thought that asking for PSE is asking for illusion, so to then push for a clear definition of PSE is a bit counter-productive? Just a (philosophical?) thought. The same logic does not apply to GFE, which I think is OK to get a bit more consensus on.

Oh really? And why is that?

I was under the impression that GFE was also coined to describe a particular brand of illusion -- the illusion of intimacy with a girlfriend/lover -- in opposition to the more mechanical BJ+FS service typical of street workers and brothel-assembly-line type of establishments.

Which is why I do think that it's indeed counter-productive (and futile) to try describing exactly what a GFE or PSE is. It's always going to depend on who provides it, and whether or not he believes it.

 

[hinz]

PSE=Bad acting GSE or talking too much cheesy BS GFE

One thing I am sure though....I am not looking forward to WE=Wife Experience.

 

[Cycleguy007]

One thing I am sure though....I am not looking forward to WE=Wife Experience.

Depends who your wife is!

Mrs. CG does total PSE for me all the time!

In fact... I gotta go now!

 

[pokerdude]

My ladies give menus of their services provided, Angelina is considered a VIP!
I asked her the difference between GFE AND PSE with her services and this is the answer that I got..lol..

GFE: Kissie kissy, cuddly sensual shit.. daty, msog, bbbj, multiple positions, digits, dfk/lfk, massage, candle light, lovey dovy..

PSE: A whole different world to prepare for before arrival, turn the music up load, get sexy, put the thigh high boots on... slappin ass, pulling hair, spitting on the johnson, serious eye contact, dirty talk, BBBJCIM, BBBJSW, msog, greek, wet sloppy dfk, rimming, daty, facials ...

That's her meaning of PSE...

Wow it's time for me to pay Angelina a visit.

 

[HOF]

Angelina was definitely PSE for me. Great woman!

 

[smylee52]

My ladies give menus of their services provided, Angelina is considered a VIP!
I asked her the difference between GFE AND PSE with her services and this is the answer that I got..lol..

GFE: Kissie kissy, cuddly sensual shit.. daty, msog, bbbj, multiple positions, digits, dfk/lfk, massage, candle light, lovey dovy..

PSE: A whole different world to prepare for before arrival, turn the music up load, get sexy, put the thigh high boots on... slappin ass, pulling hair, spitting on the johnson, serious eye contact, dirty talk, BBBJCIM, BBBJSW, msog, greek, wet sloppy dfk, rimming, daty, facials ...

That's her meaning of PSE...

Best explanation I've seen so far with the YMMV caveat on Greek for the PSE . Good job.

 

[fuji]

PSE means "Pay Something Extra" and that's it.

 

[lag]

PSE means "Pay Something Extra" and that`s it.

Or `Poor Sex Experience`:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?267935-TOFTT-ruby-TOG

 

[Roger Melon]

I've always considered PSE to mean that not only is Greek available but the SP pretends to enjoy it.

 

[nolabel]

Oh really? And why is that?

I was under the impression that GFE was also coined to describe a particular brand of illusion -- the illusion of intimacy with a girlfriend/lover -- in opposition to the more mechanical BJ+FS service typical of street workers and brothel-assembly-line type of establishments.

Which is why I do think that it's indeed counter-productive (and futile) to try describing exactly what a GFE or PSE is. It's always going to depend on who provides it, and whether or not he believes it.

Gen, you're splitting hairs with me; or maybe it's me who is about to split hairs. I never said describe a GFE exactly - I seem to recall you and I agreeing on the futility of exact description previously. Note the qualifiers used - a bit more consensus on (GFE as opposed to PSE). I could have made my point clearer by saying PSE is more illusion than GFE. I agree there is illusion in GFE too. But less than in PSE. Still, there's a red herring in your answer, and I know you know there's a red herring there because you're a smart lass. 'Describing exactly' ought not be the aim. More like 'rough understanding'. I would be content to say a rough understanding of GFE is more attainable than it is for PSE.

 

[Brill]

I would say GFE is more of an illusion than PSE, we paying for both but only with GFE is it purely a rollercoaster ride and nothing else.
With a GFE we might be deluded that the intimacy includes love.

 

[nolabel]

I would say GFE is more of an illusion than PSE . . . With a GFE we might be deluded that the intimacy includes love.

Interesting way of putting it. Do you mean that, because the chance of buying the illusion is greater with GFE than PSE, the illusion has more content (love, not just howling sex) and thus a client's level of delusion might be higher?

 

[GDLLover]

Gen, you're splitting hairs with me; or maybe it's me who is about to split hairs. I never said describe a GFE exactly - I seem to recall you and I agreeing on the futility of exact description previously. Note the qualifiers used - a bit more consensus on (GFE as opposed to PSE). I could have made my point clearer by saying PSE is more illusion than GFE. I agree there is illusion in GFE too. But less than in PSE. Still, there's a red herring in your answer, and I know you know there's a red herring there because you're a smart lass. 'Describing exactly' ought not be the aim. More like 'rough understanding'. I would be content to say a rough understanding of GFE is more attainable than it is for PSE.

Sounds like you both agree that there is a degree of illusion with both GFE and PSE. The depth of illusion could be debated that is based more on the individuals fantasy than that of a standardized description template. Its often said that no two encounters are the same based on many factors; individuals personalities, clicking, their moods & even the activities they are involved in. With so many variables that keep changing, it would appear that there is no possibility to set a common agreement of how much illusion to expect.

It is quite clear there is no concenses that the SPs themselves would agree with a common menu which should be expected within one of these categories. Its obvious that much of this has to do with different SPs comfort levels and complicated by comfort level with different clients. Furthermore, even clients don't agree with what menu should be expected from these categories.

There is only one thing that I believe we can all agree with, expect that we will all disagree.

 

[smylee52]

Whoa . I hope no hobbyist ever gets that deluded . Unless you are talking about the love of money (LOL).

 

[mcdoste]

When I'm looking at descriptions posted by the ladies, these are the assumptions I make when they use the terms, unless they specifically list otherwise:

GFE: LFK, DATY, CBJ, multiple positions, light conversation, casual attire

True GFE: DFK, DATY, BBBJTC, multiple positions, massage, cuddling, conversation, casual attire

PSE: DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM, BBBJCIMSW, BBBJTCCOF, BBBJTCOT, msog, greek, rimming, pulling hair, heavy sloppy wet DT action, serious eye contact, dirty talk, dressed to kill (boots, etc)

Just my interpretation.