Bawdy-House definition

[torontojohn]

I was just musing, and it occurred to me that in Canadian law, the definition of a bawdy-house is (roughly) a dwelling commonly used for prostitution.

It then occurred to me that a well-appointed bus that did not frequently park in the same location would circumvent that little bit of law.

 

[thompo69]

I was just musing, and it occurred to me that in Canadian law, the definition of a bawdy-house is (roughly) a dwelling commonly used for prostitution.

It then occurred to me that a well-appointed bus that did not frequently park in the same location would circumvent that little bit of law.

Here is the actual definition of common bawdy-house:

"common bawdy-house" means a place that is

(a) kept or occupied, or

(b) resorted to by one or more persons

for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency;

 

[Aardvark154]

What is the definition of indecency

The Supreme Court of Canada has supplied you with an answer in
R. v. Kouri, [2005] 3 S.C.R. 789, 2005 SCC 81

“Only one question need be answered in order to establish indecency and determine whether a place is a common bawdy-house: Do the impugned acts offend the standard of tolerance of the contemporary Canadian community, having regard to the place and context in which they occurred?”

 

[LordLoki]

The Supreme Court of Canada has supplied you with an answer in
R. v. Kouri, [2005] 3 S.C.R. 789, 2005 SCC 81

“Only one question need be answered in order to establish indecency and determine whether a place is a common bawdy-house: Do the impugned acts offend the standard of tolerance of the contemporary Canadian community, having regard to the place and context in which they occurred?”

So in Mississauga, married men having fun are in trouble!!! But ok in Scarberia?

 

[RayFinkel]

What is the definition of indecency

Follow me around on the weekends.



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[Aardvark154]

So in Mississauga, married men having fun are in trouble!!! But ok in Scarberia?

Two words "community standard."

 

[1HandInMyPocket]

It then occurred to me that a well-appointed bus that did not frequently park in the same location would circumvent that little bit of law.

The letter of the law does not defeat the spirit of the law.

 

[261252]

Razon states that you only need one person to create a bawdy house. My understanding it takes two - other than the John. I thought an outcall was leagal because the offer is made privately and their is only one prostitute present.

Incalls are also legal, I thought, if only one girl works out of the premises and the deal is done in a private place.

So, what are we saying here? They cant charge you with soliciting or prostitution if there is only one prostitute and it is in a private abode but they can get you on bawdy house?

Same thing goes with massage palour I thought.It is private but more than one girl is there, usually so it is a bawdy house but if there waS ONLY ONE THERE IT WOULD NOT BE SO THEY HAVE TO BUST WHEN THERE IS MORE THAN ONE

 

[train]

Razon states that you only need one person to create a bawdy house. My understanding it takes two - other than the John. I thought an outcall was leagal because the offer is made privately and their is only one prostitute present.

No it's legal because prostitution is legal. It's solicitation, living off the avails (pimping) and being found in a bawdy hose that are illegal. Hotel rooms aren't bawdy houses.

Incalls are also legal, I thought, if only one girl works out of the premises and the deal is done in a private place.

Incalls aren't legal. The number has nothing to do with it.

 

[261252]

Yes I understand that it is the act of asking for money - ie soliciting - that defines the activity as illegal but only if it done in a public place. Therefore, an outcall to your house is legal. I got this info from http://johnsvoice.ca/ which is a graduate student in Vancouver who is trying to gather info about us -the Johns- so he can petition to legalize the act , by definitively defining the typical John as not a maniac like Bundy but a normal person.

 

[Perry Mason]

If you do a search here you will find the subject discussed in every detail and nuance, ad nauseam... to the point where I (at least) refuse to discuss and repeat it further!

Perry

 

[Ashton.]

Hotel rooms aren't bawdy houses.

Actually I beleive if one girl uses the same hotel room for more than one client it's falls under the bawdy house category. When I started working I looked into the incall vs. outcall thing extensively and basic rule of them is incalls are illegal in all instances. Only when she comes to you is it legal.

 

[fuji]

Hotel rooms aren't bawdy houses.

Careful with that. If an SP rents a hotel room and uses it to see multiple customers it is a bawdy house.

Technically even if the customer rents the hotel room and calls only a single SP it would be a bawdy house if the prosecutor could somehow prove that the room was resorted to only and primarily for prostitution--but that would be damn near impossible to prove, how do you know the client wasn't at least intending to sleep there too, even if he didn't?

So in practice a hotel room rented by a client is not a bawdy house, but one rented by the SP might be, if she uses it repeatedly.

 

[261252]

Case closed, I vote with Ashton. the only legal prostituion act is an outcall to your abode.

BUT

What if she does it in your car? WHAT IF... WHAT IF...WHAT IF...

Too complex.

Here is a tip. If you solicit a street walker tell her you will pay her to come back to your studio for a nude shoot (not illegal). If she says yes she is probably not a cop. A cop will say no.

As well, if you want to help the cause contact http://johnsvoice.ca/

as I said he is trying to get laws changed by promoting the cause of the Johns. We have never had our voice heard and that is wrong. There are humanitarian reasons for legalization other than it just being DAMN GOOD HEALTHY FUN



But I do have a relevant and pressing question I need answered. How can you be charged if the prostitute was not a cop What proof do they have of what you did for money Is the charge always of being a found-in and is that a criminal act

thx for any intelligent response

 

[oldjones]

…edit…Is the charge always of being a found-in and is that a criminal act

thx for any intelligent response

It is, if that's all they can find to charge you with and they've decided to charge you at all. If it's in the Criminal Code—it is—it's a criminal offence.

 

[fuji]

One of you has to squeal, and give a sworn statement that it was all about the booty.

Nope. All they have to do is prove that:

(a) The place is used for prostitution (whether or not by you)
(b) You were there

That's it. The bawdy house law makes it illegal to BE IN a bawdy house. So they could collect evidence over a period of time proving that the place is used for prostitution, then show up and arrest everyone they find there.

They don't have to prove anything about what you were doing there, only that you were there. Of course they have to have evidence that the place is used for prostitution--but it might be from a previous customer, who might have been an undercover.

 

[train]

Actually I beleive if one girl uses the same hotel room for more than one client it's falls under the bawdy house category. When I started working I looked into the incall vs. outcall thing extensively and basic rule of them is incalls are illegal in all instances. Only when she comes to you is it legal.

Sorry, I should have been more definitive. I meant a hotel room rented by the john. You are right, if the sp is using it as a defacto incall then it probably would fall under the definition.

 

[261252]

If oldjones is correct, a criminal record can ban you from crossing the border, prevent you from certain quality jobs, particularly if it is with Big Brother, even lose the job u have not to speak of lawyer bills, court costs.

Maybe I should take up smoking and drinking as my hobby instead. That seems to be what society is stating here

this is a

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[oldjones]

If oldjones is correct, a criminal record can ban you from crossing the border, prevent you from certain quality jobs, particularly if it is with Big Brother, even lose the job u have not to speak of lawyer bills, court costs.

Maybe I should take up smoking and drinking as my hobby instead. That seems to be what society is stating here

this is a

BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBYBAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBYBAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBYBAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY BAD HOBBY

And do remember that diving drunk—and that's .08—is also an offence in the Criminal Code. It too can get you stopped at the border, banned from teaching, …, …

Scary eh? Ya don't s'pose that's what they had in mind?

 

[train]

The bawdy house charge was originally laid against those nabbed when the infamous massage parlor in Vaughan off Pine Valley road was closed. All those charges were dropped.