Bargaining...

[HobbyHorse]

I often see "no haggling about my rates" messages on ads and websites and say to myself, "Of course,... that would be kinda lowdown to offer a service provider less than the value she places on heself for the very personal service she provides." In a way, offering less would seem disrespectful... So I've never, ever asked a provider if she would accept less than her published rate...

But then one of my regulars was leaving the business and recommended one of her friends to me. The friend goes at a higher hourly rate, but my retiring regular said, no problem...I'll speak to her and she'll be happy to take you for less. She did and now I see her about once a month and everyone seems quite happy.

Now its true that I am probably a fairly easy low-risk trick as clients go... I like everything covered, even the BJ, and take only one shot in a hour-long visit... So my new girl was probably told that by my previous regular and that may have played into the price flexibility... But I still wonder... There are so many beautiful women that I will never meet because they are out of the pricing parameters I have set for myself in this hobby. Is it ever appropriate to suggest a departure from their published rates? Not all of them stIpulate no bargaining... though maybe that is because it is understood that this isn't done?

 

[spraggamuffin]

I often see "no haggling about my rates" messages on ads and websites and say to myself, "Of course,... that would be kinda lowdown to offer a service provider less than the value she places on heself for the very personal service she provides." In a way, offering less would seem disrespectful... So I've never, ever asked a provider if she would accept less than her published rate...

But then one of my regulars was leaving the business and recommended one of her friends to me. The friend goes at a higher hourly rate, but my retiring regular said, no problem...I'll speak to her and she'll be happy to take you for less. She did and now I see her about once a month and everyone seems quite happy.

Now its true that I am probably a fairly easy low-risk trick as clients go... I like everything covered, even the BJ, and take only one shot in a hour-long visit... So my new girl was probably told that by my previous regular and that may have played into the price flexibility... But I still wonder... There are so many beautiful women that I will never meet because they are out of the pricing parameters I have set for myself in this hobby. Is it ever appropriate to suggest a departure from their published rates? Not all of them stIpulate no bargaining... though maybe that is because it is understood that this isn't done?

I guess it depends on how eloquent you can be.

Lowballing a woman is tantamount to calling her fat, even if she is desperate for clients at her current rate.

I think the recommendation from your previous retiring SP played highly in brokering and softening the blow you didn't have to deal with.

I'm sure many SPs will gladly accept less but not ridiculous lowballing.

Pride however gets in the way.

And that piece of real estate between a womans leg boosts her ego, and gives her so much power over men, and elevates pride.

In many cases it's all she is riding on.

Better if the guy does not ask for much sometimes and just moves on to the next.

 

[whitewaterguy]

In quite a few instances where sp's offer unpublished overnight visits, and where the rates for same are not advertised, it's quite reasonable to have a discussion around the parameters and details of the overnight visit, Including details about the fees. Since the fees for overnighters usually run in my experiences, between 1k-2k, there is no harm nor offence in zeroing in on a reasonable and mutually agreeable fee it's more of a negotiating rather than bartering to my mind For 1-3 hour sessions it's simply tacky to barter. An sp friend of mine encountered a lot of low ball barterers when she was situated in Oshawa a few months ago. Of the various cities she's worked in across the province , Oshawa sort of stood out for her as the low life Capitol of Ontario, for that, and a host of other reasons . But that's another story all together. I guess it goes on everywhere to some degree

 

[GEMSHINER]

When you see an SP Wishlist ,or Gift List ,I have often wondered if a barter for services would be acceptable.It is subjective I know but I am involved in a couple of Barter /Trade groups and thought ..WTF it is a service right?

 

[jcpro]

Why not? Everything that has any value is up for negotiations. The worst the other party can do is say no. I've been mildly intrigued by some of the adds, but not intrigued enough to pay the posted premium-especially with some of the overly "surgically improved" French ladies. Offering a reasonable alternative only leads to one of two outcomes.

 

[SchlongConery]

The worst the other party can do is say no.

The worst that can happen is you negotiate down from $300 to $250 and you get a sub-par experience. Because although she has accepted the lower rate, she is subconciously not happy about it.

 

[jcpro]

The worst that can happen is you negotiate down from $300 to $250 and you get a sub-par experience. Because although she has accepted the lower rate, she is subconciously not happy about it.

From my experience, the amount$ has rarely anything to do with attitude/happiness. We've all experienced extremely beautiful ladies, at very high rates, with very poor attitudes.

 

[JunoxGrey]

If you go about this, tread carefully. I personally find it disrespectful and equals instant blacklist. I'm very privileged to be able to pick and choose which clientele I see though so this is my personal opinion.

 

[SchlongConery]

From my experience, the amount$ has rarely anything to do with attitude/happiness. We've all experienced extremely beautiful ladies, at very high rates, with very poor attitudes.

It has also been my experience that high rates do not equate to better attitudes. In fact, I have found the opposite. And while I believe that sp's should set their rates according to their own personal circumstances and feelings, I seem to have a $250/hr hard limit in my subconcious.

Bu to the point of this thread on bargaining, it is not the amount, rather it is the bargaining that I think could adversely affect the session.

 

[lenny2]

It might help if the client has some bargaining chip to use to offer in requesting a discount.

For example, if the guy looks like Brad Pitt, only wants to talk, cuddle or kiss, the SP may be more than happy to give a discount, or even offer further specials in addition to the discount. YMMV.

In the street scene in Canada or Thailand there is no set price, so offers and counter offers re price is not unusual.

In much of Asia sellers will often start off with a high price & expect you to counter offer till a sale amount is agreed upon or the negotiations terminated.

 

[SchlongConery]

If you go about this, tread carefully. I personally find it disrespectful and equals instant blacklist. I'm very privileged to be able to pick and choose which clientele I see though so this is my personal opinion.

I absolutely support your position Juno. Never mind how this is such an intimate and personal profession, every person has the right to put a value on their own time/services etc in every job or business. There is also the yield management aspect of setting rates. 2 clients at $300 hr vs 4 clients at $150 hh is one way to look at it but many might prefer to see only those 2 clients at $300 and see $600 rather than 6 clients at $150hh and see $900.

I am not one to negotiate but there are some people and cultures that seem to be hard wired to negotiate for everything. So I wouldn't take it so personally as being disrespectful towards you personally.

 

[glamphotographer]

I learned the hard way a long time ago. Bargaining for lower rates will lead to a bad session.

 

[Born2Star]

The circumstance is quite different here. OPs regular retires and refer him, a good client, to her friend with a friends and family rate. It's completely different than a stranger client making low offers.

 

[fuji]

Yes, I think there's a fundamental difference between offering a lower rate to a repeat customer, and somebody trying to negotiate a lower rate on their first visit.

 

[kstanb]

I would ask only if I am booking for multiple hours (4+) and I already know the lady.
Otherwise wait for special rates (some, but not all, ladies would reduce their rates from time to time).
Or better yet follow Juno's advice

 

[Kadie Lux]

So many men (mostly backpage guys) negotiate every so often. There's the, "oh you don't do 60hh?" Guy and the one who always asks for 20$ off or something ridiculous. It really bugs me, I'm a firm believer of the saying " you get what you pay for". I would like to think that high end SPs with over 50 reviews should be charging at least 300 an hour. And then obviously have their specials and special events for their regulars. I know that I always show my regulars 100% appreciation and love spending time with them. If I've established a strong or good relationship with that "client", I would obviously understand if their going through a rough patch (short on cash once in a blue moon) or we negotiate a long multi hour appointment. I under stand this hobby can get expensive. That's why I'll give regulars a deal when they spend 2 or 3 hours with me and just drop the hourly rate down. I think being NON GREEDY gets you much further in life.

Anyways... I really dislike negotiators!!! And those young immature guys who ask to pay half cash and half marijuana. Very annoying. The real gentlemen are the ones who bring you the gifts and donations or tip. They are true gentlemen. Or even just respectful men in general who don't try and low ball me.

Xoxo kadie

 

[jcpro]

It has also been my experience that high rates do not equate to better attitudes. In fact, I have found the opposite. And while I believe that sp's should set their rates according to their own personal circumstances and feelings, I seem to have a $250/hr hard limit in my subconcious.

Bu to the point of this thread on bargaining, it is not the amount, rather it is the bargaining that I think could adversely affect the session.

I take a shot, off hand at short visits. I do negotiate for the multi-hour ones, always. There's nothing hotter than a lady who can close.

 

[bisexyfun]

I'm sure the reason why a lot of SPs stipulate 'no bargaining' is because they've had bad experiences with guys being douchebags while trying to score a discount. I would recommend against haggling. It's disrespectful.

 

[roxyfan]

I have my own tax and accounting business. Nothing makes me lose interest faster than a prospective client asking for a lower price. I will give the lower price to a certain extent as I'm greedy and look at clients in terms of how many spa sesions they can get me but I don't give the client the same level of quality service I would if they had agreed to my original rate. So for example, calls and emails don't get answered that fast as my A level clients. Plus the cheap ones get handled by my assistant and not me...and cheap clients get their returns filed last, after my A clients...you get the picture. I prefer to work with people who see the value in my services and don't haggle as I consider it insulting and a lack of respect for the value I bring. Certainly, when you are seeking a top notch experience with an escort, you should have the common sense not to haggle her down. If she is priced out of your range then go elsewhere I say.

 

[Kadie Lux]

I'm sure the reason why a lot of SPs stipulate 'no bargaining' is because they've had bad experiences with guys being douchebags while trying to score a discount. I would recommend against haggling. It's disrespectful.

Yup very true!! I've said yes to negotiators in the past and half the time they'd end up being rude or very very aggressive and wanting extras.

When I've said yes in the past, I end up having this crappy feeling that doesn't allow me to give my 100% best "performance".